Tesla Superchargers could this be the next open to all makes I hope so

[Les burrows]

this seen today at rugby Moto services
16 extra new Tesla Superchargers being installed, there are 12 there already so this will make 28 plus 12 Gridserve rapid chargers I hope this might be another one that Tesla might open for all makes of EVs
Les

 

[Gadget Geek]

Since Tesla rebranded their charging connector as the "NACS" (North American Charging Standard), manufacturers and network providers in the USA are all jumping on board and using the Tesla plug. I wonder if that will spread to Europe and the UK?

 

[okohll]

Probably not any time soon as the EU have only mandated CCS2 for all new cars sold (including Tesla I believe). Plus the CCS 2 we have here is better than the CCS 1 which the states use, which doesn’t have a locking pin from what I’ve heard

 

[Derek25]

Since Tesla rebranded their charging connector as the "NACS" (North American Charging Standard), manufacturers and network providers in the USA are all jumping on board and using the Tesla plug. I wonder if that will spread to Europe and the UK?

Absolutely no chance. The EU has mandated CCS, which all European Teslas and all other European EVs use.

 

[tsedge]

Since Tesla rebranded their charging connector as the "NACS" (North American Charging Standard), manufacturers and network providers in the USA are all jumping on board and using the Tesla plug. I wonder if that will spread to Europe and the UK?

There's a lot of fuss about this but it is (in the main) just a slimmer connector, so the fuss is not that justified. NACS uses the same 2 pins for AC or DC which works in North America but not so well in Europe where 3 phase AC is common (not enough pins). It could still be used for DC charging though in Europe.

CCS2 is a better design than CCS1 (used in NA) and though still bulky and inelegant, it works well. As others have noted, you cannot offer NACS only chargers in Europe due to EU legislation requiring CCS2 connectors. Cars could have a second connector (like a Leaf), but there are no NACS chargers to plug it into.

In NA, this change means other makes can use Tesla Superchargers. In Europe that is already true as the Tesla Superchargers are all CCS2 and it is just Tesla's policy stopping them all being opened up to other makers.

So there is nothing to drive the change in Europe. Technically better standards frequently lose - like Betamax - for other reasons.

 

[Gadget Geek]

There's a lot of fuss about this but it is (in the main) just a slimmer connector, so the fuss is not that justified.

It's not about the connector, it's about the communications protocol. All Teslas just plug in and forget about it, the superior software takes care of everything. No more apps, RFIDs or contactless payments.

 

[Derek25]

It's not about the connector, it's about the communications protocol. All Teslas just plug in and forget about it, the superior software takes care of everything. No more apps, RFIDs or contactless payments.

That's not just the connector. It's the car and the connector. Non-Teslas can't plug and charge on the open Tesla network.

 

[Gadget Geek]

Not at the moment in the UK because we use a CCS plug and one of the many communications protocols (which is where most of the problems originate), but this is America they are talking about. Tesla named it the North American Charging Standard for a reason.

 

[tsedge]

It's not about the connector, it's about the communications protocol. All Teslas just plug in and forget about it, the superior software takes care of everything. No more apps, RFIDs or contactless payments.

This change is about the connector. The signalling of NACS and CCS are very similar and all European Tesla superchargers already use CCS2, so it is a solved problem.

You are right that the experience with Tesla is simpler: plug in, start the charge on the app (still required for a non Tesla) and no cards needed. But that's the charger design, nothing to do with the connector.

 

[Gadget Geek]

This change is about the connector. The signalling of NACS and CCS are very similar and all European Tesla superchargers already use CCS2, so it is a solved problem.

You are right that the experience with Tesla is simpler: plug in, start the charge on the app (still required for a non Tesla) and no cards needed. But that's the charger design, nothing to do with the connector.

Tesla connectors in the USA use the IEC 61851 protocol, whilst the CCS1 and CCS2 connectors use IEC 62196-2. It will be interesting to see which the non Tesla charger networks use, and which new cars produced with the Tesla socket will use (maybe both).

 

[5teep]

CCS2 came about because Chademo while a solid reliable system was far too expensive. Japanese "safety" (really market hogging) rules meant that every connector had to be certified in Japan, adding a lot to the cost.
CCS2 with it's more open protocol and cheaper manufacturing costs means bigger profits for car manufacturers. Tesla's NACS seems to be an attempt to drag the EV world back in time but with the US (Musk) as the market hoggers.

 

[Gomev]

CCS2 came about because Chademo while a solid reliable system was far too expensive. Japanese "safety" (really market hogging) rules meant that every connector had to be certified in Japan, adding a lot to the cost.
CCS2 with it's more open protocol and cheaper manufacturing costs means bigger profits for car manufacturers. Tesla's NACS seems to be an attempt to drag the EV world back in time but with the US (Musk) as the market hoggers.

When Tesla renamed their connector to NACS last year didn't they make it open source, so more like CCS2 than Chademo, and hence why other makes are now taking it up the grand ol' US of A