Price cut ?

After seeing the way Elon runs twitter my trust in his bean is very diminished I think so is many people

I’m due to take delivery of a RWD Tesla model Y in early March ( ordered mid November when MG told me i probably wouldn’t ever receive the ZS I ordered January 6th 2022 )

Was a nice surprise to discover yesterday morning that I’m getting the Tesla circa 6 k cheaper

Here’s me here, price would be 1200 euro cheaper had I not opted for blue , it’s available in white and grey at no extra charge but I don’t like grey and white is everywhere

Roldorf said:

Yes the app does show that but the requirements in Germany are that the charging post is required to display the KwHr delivered and not the app on your smartphone.

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Interesting, seems the logic of the fact that the app is required to start the charge anyway, and that it's been done like that for years already with Tesla's themselves escaped the German authorities...

Lovemyev said:

I do watch all of EVM’s videos and his EV knowledge is brilliant !.
I did pick up when he said, that his interest in Tesla over other manufacturers, would change IF Tesla opened up the Tesla super charging network to NON Tesla owners.
It is a massive strength to their car sales, why because it works !.
The Tesla car sales and the charging infrastructure are run as two completely different companies if I recall correctly ?.
Their cars are sold on better software quality and the charging network.
Build quality has improved but still has a margin to make up over some legacy makers.
There is no doubt in my mind, that their prices have been well over inflated, so a reduction in price is well overdue !.

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Yes, I think there's some man maths/logic going on with his decision given the charging network is already partly open to other cars in the UK and the rest will likely be following soon given Tesla's need to take in more coin.

Bodgerx said:

Yes, I think there's some man maths/logic going on with his decision given the charging network is already partly open to other cars in the UK and the rest will likely be following soon given Tesla's need to take in more coin.

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This is very true, the government have been all over Tesla like a bad suit, trying to put their arm's up their backs to open up the super charger networks to other EV's.
Hence the token gesture of the 15 so called "Trial" sites down the spine of the U.K.
It takes a bit of the increasing pressure on the U.K. government, to improve the now current poor charging infrastructure.
Tesla needs some more cash to satisfy the shareholders, but knows it will massively discourage future sales and switch off previous Tesla buyers IF they open up the network.
I can not see them doing this willingly any time soon TBH.

Pecari said:

Here everyone talks to their own side, but if there is a choice between a Tesla or an Mg, then there is only one choice, a Tesla.
Why: better software and updates, better charging network, better performance and power, much more energy efficient, battery heater for fast charging, LFP battery on the standard range
and the build quality from china is perfect also from germany.
I think you're a thief of your wallet if you can buy a tesla for the same money.

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Tesla is a software company making cars. MG is a car company making software. Unfortunately, neither are doing either very well.
However, at least Tesla somewhat listens. Try and find someone at MG to talk to.

I will say though, their efficiency is within 5-10% of what I am getting on my MG though, one day I did manage to get 9.6kwh per 100km - albeit I’ve only had it for a short while.

Not sure how much your base Tesla 3’s are selling for over there, but they are the equivalent of 36,491 pounds plus govt road taxes (about $1000) here - if they are less than that, well done - if more, you’ve still got some fat on the table to carve out.

Maciej said:

Absolutely you can do what you want as dealer if there is 100 long queue for your cars and you can't ship them fast enough

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The problem arises, when some of the people in your "100 long" queue starts leaving the queue because next door there is no queue.

You will lose sales, and at some point so many people might leave your queue or not stand in it in the first place, that YOU will start having to many cars, compared to the length of the queue.

I just read an article with the largest used car sales website in Denmark, they say that a lot of tesla owners trying to sell their cars, have already slashed their prices.

Right now i can buy a Tesla Model Y that is 1½ years old and with reasonable miles for quite a bit less than a new MG ZS EV.

Yes, it's a used car, but on the other hand, it is not very old, it has not done a million miles, i can get it "now" and i will even have a nice bit of money in my pocket after i buy it.

Makes me atleast consider, if i would be better off, just getting that, instead of waiting for the ZS EV, that might, might not arrive in 7 months. I have been unable to get ANY kind of indication, even if MG is ahead of, or behind schedule with the deliveries, so the August 7 delivery date might already be unrealistic right now and i don't know it. We might get it sooner, but as the dealer said

"China tells us VERY little about production goals and if they will be able to deliver any cars at all, we are only told shortly before we get them, that we are getting this many cars this month"

Maciej said:

OK so MGZS long range starts at £32 000 from a dealer that is in every major town that people know of. I think people underestimate how important it is to have garage close by. If my car breaks I can ho into office and discuss in person rather than argue with someone on different continent.

There is also huge difference between prices. I could get a car lian for my zs I would not be able to get one for £10 000 more. This is still big difference.

It doesn't mater if tesla is better when "computer says no" to your bank loan

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I dont think the price difference is very large, atleast not in Denmark.

The MG ZS EV i ordered cost ~40.500 pounds, this is for the Long range with a range of 275 miles.

The ZS EV was chosen with a color that adds price, and a trailer hitch, and if i add the "same" color to the M3 and add a trailer hitch i get a range of 305 miles for ~45.500

So the price difference between the MG ZS EV and the Model 3 is £5000 and those 5000 gives me longer range, better charging options and charging speed and double the allowed load on the trailer hitch.

So the M3 is 9% more expensive than the ZS EV here.

That price gap is quite small to be honest.

Maciej said:

At price parity yes people will pick tesla there is no doubt. But I am nor sure where are you all saying it being that. Quick Google shows it still at around £48 000 around £20 000 more than ZS am I missing something?

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That's another point.

My closest "dealer" (Showroom actually, no workshop, just some guy in a shopping mall, display) is ~40 miles away, but the closest official MG repair shop that can do a service, and stamp my book with an MG certified stamp is 80 miles away.

My window lifter switch bank in the drivers door, malfunctioned, and i had to drive 160 miles roundtrip to get this fixed under warranty.

If i want to make sure my warranties work when i need them i need to take the car on this 160 mile roundtrip every year, which basically means i need to take a day off from work to have it serviced by MG.

BadGolf said:

Not sure how much your base Tesla 3’s are selling for over there, but they are the equivalent of 36,491 pounds plus govt road taxes (about $1000) here - if they are less than that, well done - if more, you’ve still got some fat on the table to carve out.

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We dont have government grants, and even though EV's until a certain price is exempt from registration tax, you still need to add 25% VAT to any car sale.

The base price of a SR with no extra's is about £42.800

The price of the MG ZS EV i ordered, if i take away paint color and trailer hitch is £38.700

N2STY said:

Don't be fooled the new Teslas are not the same lots of parts have been removed and some parts like brakes have been downgraded but there sticking plastic cover over them to give the appearance of performance parts if anything they have dropped the price but making more profit

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Do you have a reference or article for this please?

hmadsen said:

I dont think the price difference is very large, atleast not in Denmark.

The MG ZS EV i ordered cost ~40.500 pounds, this is for the Long range with a range of 275 miles.

The ZS EV was chosen with a color that adds price, and a trailer hitch, and if i add the "same" color to the M3 and add a trailer hitch i get a range of 305 miles for ~45.500

So the price difference between the MG ZS EV and the Model 3 is £5000 and those 5000 gives me longer range, better charging options and charging speed and double the allowed load on the trailer hitch.

So the M3 is 9% more expensive than the ZS EV here.

That price gap is quite small to be honest.

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You must have some insentive thing on there where you are.

The base price of an MG ZS EV Vs a base Model 3 in the UK is about a delta of £13,000.

Which is a lot.

If you factor in that a lot of people are buying these on lease, when I last looked, the monthly cost of a base Model 3 was twice as much as a mid range MG ZS EV.

hmadsen said:

Right now i can buy a Tesla Model Y that is 1½ years old and with reasonable miles for quite a bit less than a new MG ZS EV.

Yes, it's a used car, but on the other hand, it is not very old, it has not done a million miles, i can get it "now" and i will even have a nice bit of money in my pocket after i buy it.

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If this were an option in the UK I would snap it up in a heartbeat, personally..

Cheapest used model Ys here are around £48k (with say 15k miles) whereas new ZSEV is £35k (or less if you ordered back in the sands of time!) ... Not even close for consideration (with my budget!)

hmadsen said:

The problem arises, when some of the people in your "100 long" queue starts leaving the queue because next door there is no queue.

You will lose sales, and at some point so many people might leave your queue or not stand in it in the first place, that YOU will start having to many cars, compared to the length of the queue.

I just read an article with the largest used car sales website in Denmark, they say that a lot of tesla owners trying to sell their cars, have already slashed their prices.

Right now i can buy a Tesla Model Y that is 1½ years old and with reasonable miles for quite a bit less than a new MG ZS EV.

Yes, it's a used car, but on the other hand, it is not very old, it has not done a million miles, i can get it "now" and i will even have a nice bit of money in my pocket after i buy it.

Makes me atleast consider, if i would be better off, just getting that, instead of waiting for the ZS EV, that might, might not arrive in 7 months. I have been unable to get ANY kind of indication, even if MG is ahead of, or behind schedule with the deliveries, so the August 7 delivery date might already be unrealistic right now and i don't know it. We might get it sooner, but as the dealer said

"China tells us VERY little about production goals and if they will be able to deliver any cars at all, we are only told shortly before we get them, that we are getting this many cars this month"

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If I was looking for a car now and a 1 and 1/2 year Teska Y was going for mid £30ks with ok mileage, I would get it.

For me, the Tesla model 3 was let only by having a boot.
Model Y fits the bill right down to the ground.
That would be my choice all day.
The only problem is the price, unaffordable for my pocket unfortunately .

frb123 said:

Cheapest used model Ys here are around £48k (with say 15k miles) whereas new ZSEV is £35k (or less if you ordered back in the sands of time!) ... Not even close for consideration (with my budget!)

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After this week's price adjustment you can now get a NEW Model Y for less than £45k. It may take a while for adjustments to filter through but I would expect an 18 month old Model Y with 15k miles on the clock to go for around £35k. I think there are people that would think that is a better option than a new ZSEV for a similar price.

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After this week's price adjustment you can now get a NEW Model Y for less than £45k. It may take a while for adjustments to filter through but I would expect an 18 month old Model Y with 15k miles on the clock to go for around £35k. I think there are people that would think that is a better option than a new ZSEV for a similar price.

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Very interesting point. Hadn't thought of that.

Might be a race to see which happens first - the Y pricing adjustment or the ZS actually bloody turning up!!

Lovemyev said:

For me, the Tesla model 3 was let only by having a boot.
Model Y fits the bill right down to the ground.
That would be my choice all day.
The only problem is the price, unaffordable for my pocket unfortunately .

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You should give the Y a try anyway. I would be interested in your comments. For me it has an unacceptably hard suspension set up that spoils the car.

Cocijo said:

You should give the Y a try anyway. I would be interested in your comments. For me it has an unacceptably hard suspension set up that spoils the car.

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I remember sitting in a Tesla model 3 in a showroom in Florida ( while on holiday ) about 12 before they touched base in the U.K.
Sitting in that car for the first time, was like sitting in no car I had ever sat in before !.
Huge front windscreen merging into a glass roof, very minimalist lay out.
It was a breath of fresh air, loved it !.
However, the car was hard for me to get in and out of and the boot set up was not my cup of tea.
I even asked the Tesla guy, are they going to make this car with hatch ?.
“Can’t say” - then whispered yes !.
Why don’t I test drive one ?.
Simple - If I test one and like it ( which I am pretty sure I would ) then I will end up sulking that I can’t afford one .
I have heard people complain about the ride being to hard, which is no good for my old bones !.
At least I have a good reason not to lust over one anymore.
I have wanted a Tesla for the longest time.
I know the build quality has improved and it really needed too, because it was crap for a car costing that much money.
But when it comes to software and charging, that have in the bag !.
Note to self many years ago - never test drive a car that you can’t afford or be prepared to be very disappointed if you like it !.

Whist waiting for my ZS EV to arrive, I had a couple of test drives in a Tesla Y and decided against it, not for price reason but for the following reasons. Here is a copy of my feedback to the Tesla sales guy:
It's unlikely that I will be perusing the T model Y. I was comparing it to the new MGZSEV. Despite the Tesla having a few advantages over the MG (the charging network, range, seat comfort & towing capacity, large inside space) it also has a number of disadvantages (the poor sunroof, no android auto/apple carplay and the horrid inside - my wife called it a bat cave) so I will be placing an order for the MG

I’ve heard Tesla called a lot of things, but never a bat cave!

rpannell said:

Whist waiting for my ZS EV to arrive, I had a couple of test drives in a Tesla Y and decided against it, not for price reason but for the following reasons. Here is a copy of my feedback to the Tesla sales guy:
It's unlikely that I will be perusing the T model Y. I was comparing it to the new MGZSEV. Despite the Tesla having a few advantages over the MG (the charging network, range, seat comfort & towing capacity, large inside space) it also has a number of disadvantages (the poor sunroof, no android auto/apple carplay and the horrid inside - my wife called it a bat cave) so I will be placing an order for the MG

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Yeah that's another point...No Android auto.

But honestly, the Tesla has google navigation built in, right ?

And it is possible to do radio streaming right ?

I use android auto for navigation and music streaming from the streaming service of my choice.

The tesla even comes with a proper dataplan, so that it does not need wireless hotspot from my phone, right ?

I also had "No front facing radar for crash mitigation and ACC" on my "Reasons to not want it" list, but i have seen conflicting reports, and some websites claims it is only cars sold in NA, that does not have it.

The Y, could do with a facelift as well, it is not really the prettiest car in the world either.

It is clear that they took a 3 and just pumped some more air into it to make the car bigger.

A bit like that thing my wife did....When she was 20, she was the model 3, slender and slimline, but at 30 and onwards, she had expanded to look more like the Y. Bigger body, much bigger boot

hmadsen said:

Yeah that's another point...No Android auto.

But honestly, the Tesla has google navigation built in, right ?

And it is possible to do radio streaming right ?

I use android auto for navigation and music streaming from the streaming service of my choice.

The tesla even comes with a proper dataplan, so that it does not need wireless hotspot from my phone, right ?

I also had "No front facing radar for crash mitigation and ACC" on my "Reasons to not want it" list, but i have seen conflicting reports, and some websites claims it is only cars sold in NA, that does not have it.

The Y, could do with a facelift as well, it is not really the prettiest car in the world either.

It is clear that they took a 3 and just pumped some more air into it to make the car bigger.

A bit like that thing my wife did....When she was 20, she was the model 3, slender and slimline, but at 30 and onwards, she had expanded to look more like the Y. Bigger body, much bigger boot

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I bet she’s not a member on here!

hmadsen said:

A bit like that thing my wife did....When she was 20, she was the model 3, slender and slimline, but at 30 and onwards, she had expanded to look more like the Y. Bigger body, much bigger boot

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At least she is not like a model X, with rear appendages that spread wide into the air for easy access....