MGS5 Trophy Long Range - 3 phase charging ?

[RhythMick]

Page 42 of the owners manual (for Type 3 battery packs, 64kWh) indicates that 3-phase charging is supported at 11kW? Am I misreading ?

My Zappi supports 3-phase (I'm lucky to have 3-phase to the house). Do I need to do anything more than switch the Zappi to 3-phase ?

I just have the Type 2 cable which came with the car - do I need a special cable to support 3-phase ?

 

[Everest]

The type 2 cable will need to be a 3 phase cable (i.e. with pins L2 and L3 connected).

Do we assume that it's not charging at 11kW as you're posting the question here?

 

[RhythMick]

No you shouldn't assume that. I'm trying it now. Of course if my cable isn't 3 phase it won't work.

Asking the question because I thought I'd been told UK MG didn't support 3 phase.

I'll report back tomorrow.

 

[Everest]

First gen MG4 NMC's had 3 phase chargers, as do ER's. Not sure about ZS though (assuming your profile is up-to-date)?

 

[Warden]

No you shouldn't assume that. I'm trying it now. Of course if my cable isn't 3 phase it won't work.

Asking the question because I thought I'd been told UK MG didn't support 3 phase.

I'll report back tomorrow.

I'm pretty sure the face-lift MG5 supported 3 phase. I never tried it with mine, as never had the chance. 3 phase cables are not cheap, but if you've got it at home it will certainly speed things up. Can you get the cheap night time rate with 3 phase?

 

[RhythMick]

First gen MG4 NMC's had 3 phase chargers, as do ER's. Not sure about ZS though (assuming your profile is up-to-date)?

Sorry not updated my profile - I'm in the MGS5 now

No you shouldn't assume that. I'm trying it now. Of course if my cable isn't 3 phase it won't work.

Asking the question because I thought I'd been told UK MG didn't support 3 phase.

I'll report back tomorrow.

Checked both the Type 2 cables I have, neither have L2/L3.

Recommendations for 3-phase cables please ?

 

[Everest]

3 phase cables are not cheap

One would like to think that the supplied cable would match the car's capability?

Recommendations for 3-phase cables please ?

EV Cables have a good reputation.

 

[Warden]

One would like to think that the supplied cable would match the car's capability?

a bit pointless for MG to supply a 3 phase cable as 3 phase charges are as rare as hens teeth.

 

[RhythMick]

Amazon.co.uk

£80 delivered tomorrow, 5m 3-phase 32A

 

[Everest]

a bit pointless for MG to supply a 3 phase cable as 3 phase charges are as rare as hens teeth.

Really? I thought most public AC chargers (supermarkets etc.) were 3 phase, rather than single phase.

 

[Warden]

Really? I thought most public AC chargers (supermarkets etc.) were 3 phase, rather than single phase.

Not that I'm aware of

 

[xblackwolf90]

Really? I thought most public AC chargers (supermarkets etc.) were 3 phase, rather than single phase.

It's worth checking Zapmap - the areas where I stop to charge when away with work are around a 50/50 split between single and 3phase.

I purchased a 3 phase cable for my MG5 (not the MGS5), since my car only came with a single phase cable. and it makes a notable difference.

Two hours on a 3phase charger adds around 20kWh (or 80 miles). On single phase, that's around 13 kWh (or 52 miles). Nothing ground-breaking but a few extra miles for the same time charging is always welcome.

Worth noting regarding single / 3 phase charging and cables:

• If the public charger is 11kW 3 phase, you'll only get around 3kw charging speeds from a single phase car/cable (you'll still get your 7kW rate from both a 7 or 22kw charging point).
• If you buy a 3 Phase cable, always get a 22kW one even though your car won't support the full 22kW. Using an 11kW cable on a 7kW charger will only deliver around 3kW.

11kW chargers do seem to be rather rare though - 7 and 22 are much more common.

 

[GaryMG4]

Page 42 of the owners manual (for Type 3 battery packs, 64kWh) indicates that 3-phase charging is supported at 11kW? Am I misreading ?

My Zappi supports 3-phase (I'm lucky to have 3-phase to the house). Do I need to do anything more than switch the Zappi to 3-phase ?

I just have the Type 2 cable which came with the car - do I need a special cable to support 3-phase ?

My (tethered) Zappi installed by Octopus is three phase capable although we don't have it here. Regarding public AC chargers a lot of the council ones installed in public car parks in my area are 3 phase, similarly on my recent visit to Scotland most of the ones I tried were 3-phase.

 

[Warden]

a bit pointless for MG to supply a 3 phase cable as 3 phase charges are as rare as hens teeth.

I stand corrected I didn't realise that some car park chargers were 3 phase. I have only charged at rapid chargers and I'm usually done in about 20 mins, but 95% of my charging is done at home overnight.

 

[GaryMG4]

I stand corrected I didn't realise that some car park chargers were 3 phase. I have only charged at rapid chargers and I'm usual done in about 20 mins, but 95% of my charging is done at home overnight.

When I started my EV journey a couple of years ago I tried out as many different public chargers as possible to see what Apps/RFID cards I might need, and relied on the granny lead at home. Nowadays I try to soak up as much of my solar (FiT) excess as possible but otherwise charge overnight and only use public chargers on holiday or when bagging the only car park spaces left because they have a charge point.

 

[RhythMick]

The Bokman 3 phase cables arrived. Better build quality than I was expecting. I'll report back after charging with it.

Anyone want a cheap MG single phase cable?

 

[Koomi]

I am sure my UK Spec MGS5 Trophy doesn't have the 3 phase pins in the car side of the charger (I may have to double check if people say otherwise)... so it won't matter what cable you have?

 

[Coulomb]

I am sure my UK Spec MGS5 Trophy doesn't have the 3 phase pins in the car side of the charge. .. so it won't matter what cable you have?

You still want to avoid 16A cables, either 3-phase or single phase, as these will result in very slow 3.6kW charges.

 

[Dougie]

I am sure my UK Spec MGS5 Trophy doesn't have the 3 phase pins in the car side of the charger (I may have to double check if people say otherwise)... so it won't matter what cable you have?

I've just traded my MG5 Facelift for the MGS5 Exclusive (Trophy) and was disappointed that it only had less than 7kW AC, as my main driving consists of a lot of rural areas with little or no fast chargers but plenty of 22kW ones.
My MG5 had 11kW AC even though all salesmen kept telling me it only had 7kW. I had to go buy a 3phase cable and prove to the guys in the garage.
I'm hoping like I did with the MG5 that the 64kWh MGS5 has 11kW on board and all the sales guy got it wrong
With the extra bit of range in the new ev I think I'll be using less chargers now anyway so not a big problem

 

[Everest]

My MG5 had 11kW AC even though all salesmen kept telling me it only had 7kW. I had to go buy a 3phase cable and prove to the guys in the garage.
I'm hoping like I did with the MG5 that the 64kWh MGS5 has 11kW on board and all the sales guy got it wrong

Presumably some MGS5 owners can just have a look at the connector on their cars to see if pins L2 and L3 are present? Obviously, pins being present won't guarantee that the car supports 3 phase charging, but if the pins are not there at all then it definitely won't be charging above 7kW single phase.