MGS5 Trophy Long Range - 3 phase charging ?

[Caramaddy]

The knowledge base on this forum is so useful. Knowing very little about electric cars, I have gained so much. But it also reminds me that I still have lots to learn and absorb!

 

[Dougie]

Presumably some MGS5 owners can just have a look at the connector on their cars to see if pins L2 and L3 are present? Obviously, pins being present won't guarantee that the car supports 3 phase charging, but if the pins are not there at all then it definitely won't be charging above 7kW single phase.

No L2 or L3 pins

 

[Everest]

No L2 or L3 pins

Hmm - that's odd that @RhythMick's S5 has them then - maybe different models support 3-phase like the Gen 2 vs. ER version of the MG4

edited to add - is yours an MGS5 or an MG5? Your profile says MG5?

 

[Caramaddy]

Hmm - that's odd that @RhythMick's S5 has them then - maybe different models support 3-phase like the Gen 2 vs. ER version of the MG4

edited to add - is yours an MGS5 or an MG5? Your profile says MG5?

I think he was just showing where the pins should be located. On that photo they are missing.

 

[Kenp1]

Hmm - that's odd that @RhythMick's S5 has them then - maybe different models support 3-phase like the Gen 2 vs. ER version of the MG4

edited to add - is yours an MGS5 or an MG5? Your profile says MG5?

Can't see were he says he has the pins, have I missed something?

 

[Everest]

Can't see were he says he has the pins, have I missed something?

Hmmm... on re-reading the whole thread, you're right, the OP didn't explicitly say that. But I did refer to needing L2 and L3 connections in post #2 and in post #6 the OP referred the checking L2 and L3 on his existing cable, so I'd be gobsmacked if he's gone and bought a 3-phase cable without checking that the car itself has the L2 and L3 pins, as it's been discussed throughout the thread.

 

[Dougie]

Hmm - that's odd that @RhythMick's S5 has them then - maybe different models support 3-phase like the Gen 2 vs. ER version of the MG4

edited to add - is yours an MGS5 or an MG5? Your profile says MG5?

Picture is of the Demo model at the dealership MGS5 Exclusive 64kWh battery

 

[Alb]

The MGS5 doesn't have an Exclusive variant

 

[Dougie]

The MGS5 doesn't have an Exclusive variant

Irelands version same as Trophy in UK

 

[RhythMick]

I am sure my UK Spec MGS5 Trophy doesn't have the 3 phase pins in the car side of the charger (I may have to double check if people say otherwise)... so it won't matter what cable you have?

You're right and I now feel daft. Not for the first time so hey.

Yes I should have checked the car side. L1 only.

Hmm - that's odd that @RhythMick's S5 has them then - maybe different models support 3-phase like the Gen 2 vs. ER version of the MG4

edited to add - is yours an MGS5 or an MG5? Your profile says MG5?

My mistake, my S5 is L1 only. I should have checked the car side first.

Hmmm... on re-reading the whole thread, you're right, the OP didn't explicitly say that. But I did refer to needing L2 and L3 connections in post #2 and in post #6 the OP referred the checking L2 and L3 on his existing cable, so I'd be gobsmacked if he's gone and bought a 3-phase cable without checking that the car itself has the L2 and L3 pins, as it's been discussed throughout the thread.

Yep that's what I did.

Not a problem really, the charger is 3 phase so I'll keep the 3P cable at home. Future proofing.

But yes that one goes on my top 10 dumb decision lost.

 

[OriginalBigAl]

As you say "future proofed " but it will still charge at 6.6 kwh on L1 if its a 32A cable...... just a bit heavier than needed.
We sometimes travel up through Yorkshire on the way to Scotland and have a 11kw 3 phase car, well ? best new mate ........... do you like cheap French wine , any colour?

 

[RhythMick]

Haha yes welcome to stay over and charge up

 

[OriginalBigAl]

Haha yes welcome to stay over and charge up

Thanks , I was expecting a little more resistance , I did say I am originally from Lancashire didn't I. Purely for full disclosure and clarity you understand.

 

[RhythMick]

I won't hold it against you

 

[shadowman]

Page 42 of the owners manual (for Type 3 battery packs, 64kWh) indicates that 3-phase charging is supported at 11kW? Am I misreading ?

My Zappi supports 3-phase (I'm lucky to have 3-phase to the house). Do I need to do anything more than switch the Zappi to 3-phase ?

I just have the Type 2 cable which came with the car - do I need a special cable to support 3-phase ?

My S5 trophy definately doesnt have 3 phase charging pins on the car - just single phase - the 2 other phase pins are missing. I think its european models that have the 11kw charger on board.

 

[RhythMick]

Ok thanks, explains why that's in the manual

 

[OriginalBigAl]

My S5 trophy definately doesnt have 3 phase charging pins on the car - just single phase - the 2 other phase pins are missing. I think its european models that have the 11kw charger on board.

If its the same as the MG4 then its only 11kw charging if its requested when ordering as an original sale. That order goes through to the factory and if like myself go for the orange / SR/LR then you can add on an extra couple of months delivery time.
If you are adding on RHD for the UK that would really confuse their production lines , 3 phase for the UK , no , they have got that wrong , check again.
Its possible to order one for the UK but would not do your resale values any good as everyone else would have single phase supplies and EVSEs so very much limiting its market and appeal. I wonder what the lease suppliers would have to say?

 

[Everest]

Its possible to order one for the UK but would not do your resale values any good as everyone else would have single phase supplies and EVSEs so very much limiting its market and appeal. I wonder what the lease suppliers would have to say?

Eh? EV's with with 3 phase-capable inverters will also work with single phase supplies.

 

[OriginalBigAl]

Eh? EV's with with 3 phase-capable inverters will also work with single phase supplies.

I was under the impression, yes, but only at 3.6 kw max on one phase. Although I would love to be proven wrong.

 

[Everest]

I was under the impression, yes, but only at 3.6 kw max on one phase. Although I would love to be proven wrong.

You will love me then....

Cars with 3-phase 11kW chargers (like my VW and also MG4ER) internaly have 3 x 1-Phase 16A chargers. On a 3-Phase supply they run one per phase for 11kW total. On a 1-Phase supply they run 2 chargers in parallel for 1-Phase 32A = 7.4kW.

You will, of course, need a 7.4kW 1-Phase or 22kW 3-Phase cable to supply 32A down one phase connection