Pay per mile. Another blow for EV drivers

[jackois]

I'd wait and see... this story came originally from an anti-Labour news source, and carried on by the rest of their gang... I think a lot of these things are briefed to see the reaction...

I reckon if I was Labour, I'd just be saying you can vote again in a couple of years... who'd you fancy?

 

[Gadget Geek]

EV drivers could face new pay per mile tax in Budget

The BBC understands there have been "conversations" within government about the possibility of a new levy on EVs.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[salty]

EV drivers could face new pay per mile tax in Budget

The BBC understands there have been "conversations" within government about the possibility of a new levy on EVs.

www.bbc.co.uk

Biggest load of Bollox I've read for a long time.

 

[OriginalBigAl]

I might be with Rolfe with this , even though it does not concern me, It could be the classic, come out with a controversial scheme . get everyone heated up . including ICE drivers , introduce other hidden less radical tax , but just as profitable revenues then drop the original scheme to the relief and gratitude of the driving populous, win win.
The few ways this could be implemented is by self certification ( every insurance renewal ) Costly, prone to error and false declaration, as well as invasion of privacy. MOT readings , not applicable until 3 years, until then guessable estimates. ANPR cameras recording every mile linked to reg plate? every court list in the country would have an immediate backlist of spy in the cab claims.
Since 1066 loads of you have some French blood in your veins ( what happened ) proposals like this here would be considered , rejected , and the country brought to stand still within days.
You just can't get the revolutionaries these days!!!
MBFA..... Make Britain French Again.

Biggest load of Bollox I've read for a long time.

Hang on a sec.

 

[salty]

I might be with Rolfe with this , even though it does not concern me, It could be the classic, come out with a controversial scheme . get everyone heated up . including ICE drivers , introduce other hidden less radical tax , but just as profitable revenues then drop the original scheme to the relief and gratitude of the driving populous, win win.

You might have a point. Brainwash us. (Probably wouldn't take much)
A bit of reverse psychology. The lesser of Two evils, Sort of thing.

 

[AussiePete]

Neither Fuel Duty (added to the price of fuel) or Vehicle Excise Duty (aka road tax - paid for by every vehicle in a very inequitable way) are actually allocated to road maintenance. I agree there should be some tax or duty but it needs to apply to every car equitably and should be for the explicit purpose it is intended - to make transport better. So drop Fuel Duty and add a per mile tax as part of a road tax - but make it apply to every vehicle

 

[JohnV6]

Well said

 

[Ferretusmaximus]

It's likely policy-building by public opinion ... leak suggestions and see what reaction it gets; if it's not too unfavourable then plough on ahead. It's the same with the recent "leak" suggesting that income tax rates may increase in the budget.

Absolutely. Together with the "leak it will be 10%" then implement 5% and expect people to go "Phew, that's not too bad".

 

[salty]

Absolutely. Together with the "leak it will be 10%" then implement 5% and expect people to go "Phew, that's not too bad".

Agree. Rumours are it's gonna be 3p per mile. But it ends up "only" 2p per mile. Every one says "oh good" could've been worse. Brainwashed again.
It's a Mystery how we can sit down, they shaft us that much.

 

[Archev]

Agree. Rumours are it's gonna be 3p per mile. But it ends up "only" 2p per mile. Every one says "oh good" could've been worse. Brainwashed again.
It's a Mystery how we can sit down, they shaft us that much.

Calm down dear, they might make us look for hydrogen stations instead.

 

[salty]

Calm down dear, they might make us look for hydrogen stations instead.

So could always be worse.

 

[Rolfe]

Since June, BEV's account for 25% of the market. That means the government are losing 25% of their fuel duty. Maybe they should cut the 25% of the billions in tax relief they give to the oil companies.

No. EVs still account for only about 4% of cars on the road. They're not losing 25% of their fuel duty and it will be a long time before they do. Maybe they should look again at the very low road tax on some old polluting bangers.

This really does look like a planted story from the Telegraph to hit EV sales just at the time when good sales figures have come out and 25% was exceeded for the first time.

 

[NikLiverpool]

I am not so sure that it is just a story.
The information is that it will be implemented in 2028. By then a significant portion of cars in circulation will be EVs or PHEVs (which apparently will not be excluded; thus double whammy on them).
At the end I reckon they will go with a lower number but it will happen.
At the same time I do believe they will pump up the fuel duty.

 

[Lovemyev]

I am not so sure that it is just a story.
The information is that it will be implemented in 2028. By then a significant portion of cars in circulation will be EVs or PHEVs (which apparently will not be excluded; thus double whammy on them).
At the end I reckon they will go with a lower number but it will happen.
At the same time I do believe they will pump up the fuel duty.

The buggers will get us someway !

 

[Rolfe]

The timing is suspicious. It's putting people off buying EVs now, at a time when the government ostensibly wants to encourage EV purchases. In that context it's brain-dead. Which makes me suspicious of a spoiler. Even if they do want to implement this in 2028, just don't say anything about it until 2027.

 

[Ferretusmaximus]

Not sure if this has been shared here before, but it's an interesting YouTube take on what this is all about: Pay Per Mile Tax Is About Control – The EV Bait & Switch

 

[PeterHR2]

Not sure if this has been shared here before, but it's an interesting YouTube take on what this is all about: Pay Per Mile Tax Is About Control – The EV Bait & Switch

There's elements that are correct in his assessment. However...

The reason for the zero emissions target is because of the need to militate and mitigate GHGs and climate change. You can bury your head in your ICE sand as much as you want, climate change is real and its effects will get worse as we continue to pour more of them into the atmosphere. ICEs are a big factor in that and their emissions must be curbed.

Also, if the tax take is going down somewhere in the economy then there is a need to tax somewhere else to maintain levels of spending or you face up to the reality of spending cuts. If it's not being obtained from EV mileage, then perhaps it'll be obtained by extending the range of items VAT is payable on (e.g. rating currently zero-rated foods – a great way to keep inflation high), by keeping current personal tax thresholds well beyond 2028 into the mid 2030s, or any number of undesirable and desirable targets. And if you think this is a Labour issue, think again: Reform/Tories would be in the same situation. Indeed, the OBR report I linked to earlier was issued during the last Tory government and was discussed within the Treasury at that time. That's why EVs are now liable to VED; Jeremy Hunt made that decision in 2022, not a Labour government

I wholeheartedly agree that the guessing of your mileage is (frankly) a Loony Tunes idea to addressing the issue. I can do 6k one year and 11-12k the next year. That's the reality of family life. As further up, and in line with ICEs, it's obvious that the tax take should be on the juice you put in, whether that's petrol, diesel, LPG, electricity, or hydrogen.

Telematics in cars is not wholly the domain of EVs or the UK and it's government (though it seemed presented as such): they are present in ICEs and the rest of the world. So it's a strawman argument to hit EVs with. And camera monitoring is not the domain of any one political party either.

I could go on... but I'll spare you all.