Should we be worried? 🤔

[Ian Key]

Mine was ordered Nov 19th.

Yours?

As in my signature, 26th September.

 

[stevegus]

As in my signature, 26th September.

I dont see that using mobile device.

Thats 2 months prior to mine so id expect a larger VIN difference

 

[Diggsy]

I dont see that using mobile device.

Thats 2 months prior to mine so id expect a larger VIN difference

Rotate your mobile to landscape mode and you’ll see the signatures. Seems there’s not enough room in portrait mode

 

[Ian Key]

I dont see that using mobile device.

Thats 2 months prior to mine so id expect a larger VIN difference

I agree but when has MG used logic?

 

[Yandards]

As others have alluded those that are happy with stuff and having no issues don't tend to post 'all is ok' comments on the internet.
I've had an e208 from new that my on order MG4 is replacing, despite it being part of a very large, established group the mobile app remains flakey, there are various software bugs in the infotainment side of life (setting Aircon to max via short cut button sometimes sets the climate to low when de-selecting for example) and it's spent 6 weeks at the dealer awaiting a spare ABS cable loom as Peugeot still can't design wiring loom cable supports properly.
On top of that it was delivered with a rusty tailgate, lumps in the driver's door paint (missed on handover due to COVID stuff and it raining hard) the badges shed paint when you wash them with a pressure washer due to the design and the rear window switches work when you switch off even with child lock enabled.
There seems to be a fairly large occurrence of traction battery issues amongst the userbase as well.
So TLR, manufacturers keep mucking stuff up regardless of pedigree, ahem, ID3, and the 4 remains better specced at a significantly cheaper price than many of its rivals.
Am I expecting issue on delivery? Possible but thanks to places like this I have a starting point to check stuff.

 

[MG4London]

Has anyone actually denied their car within 30 days and no just got it repaired but actually got a new one?

I remember seeing a few MG4s available with old 22 plates but only 1000miles on the clock.

I wondered how had the dealer got these cars it must have been refused by a buyer who demanded another?

 

[Deleted member 10041]

Has anyone actually denied their car within 30 days and no just got it repaired but actually got a new one?

I remember seeing a few MG4s available with old 22 plates but only 1000miles on the clock.

I wondered how had the dealer got these cars it must have been refused by a buyer who demanded another?

It could be their demonstrators they are moving on

 

[Shengis]

As others have alluded those that are happy with stuff and having no issues don't tend to post 'all is ok' comments on the internet.
I've had an e208 from new that my on order MG4 is replacing, despite it being part of a very large, established group the mobile app remains flakey, there are various software bugs in the infotainment side of life (setting Aircon to max via short cut button sometimes sets the climate to low when de-selecting for example) and it's spent 6 weeks at the dealer awaiting a spare ABS cable loom as Peugeot still can't design wiring loom cable supports properly.
On top of that it was delivered with a rusty tailgate, lumps in the driver's door paint (missed on handover due to COVID stuff and it raining hard) the badges shed paint when you wash them with a pressure washer due to the design and the rear window switches work when you switch off even with child lock enabled.
There seems to be a fairly large occurrence of traction battery issues amongst the userbase as well.
So TLR, manufacturers keep mucking stuff up regardless of pedigree, ahem, ID3, and the 4 remains better specced at a significantly cheaper price than many of its rivals.
Am I expecting issue on delivery? Possible but thanks to places like this I have a starting point to check stuff.

Well I’ve sold mine. Taking over £1000 loss on negative equity but I am relieved to be rid of it after three fairly hellish months of ownership!

I totally take your point about there being issues with lots of types of car, not just the MG4. Why is this though? Are they more dependent on software so more susceptible to errors?

I think these more modern ‘safety features’ such as lane assist which 90% of people probably turn off as soon as they get in the car have a lot to answer for, due to either being shoddy or simply getting on people’s nerves having this ridiculous routine of switching off certain ‘features’ every time you turn the car on.

 

[tsedge]

Well I’ve sold mine. Taking over £1000 loss on negative equity but I am relieved to be rid of it after three fairly hellish months of ownership!

I totally take your point about there being issues with lots of types of car, not just the MG4. Why is this though? Are they more dependent on software so more susceptible to errors?

I think these more modern ‘safety features’ such as lane assist which 90% of people probably turn off as soon as they get in the car have a lot to answer for, due to either being shoddy or simply getting on people’s nerves having this ridiculous routine of switching off certain ‘features’ every time you turn the car on.

New cars always have issues because the humans in the assembly plants have to figure out how to put them together properly (it is far less automated than people think) and some parts that worked on paper don't in practice.

Software is buggy for a much longer period because most OEMs haven't been doing software work of the modern scale and are struggling to catch up but there are too few good software people around. Also managing software projects is notoriously difficult due to their complexity and so they always run late and start off with lots of bugs.

Software updates are as much an excuse for shipping alpha/beta software as they are a route for new features.

 

[Deleted member 10041]

New cars always have issues because the humans in the assembly plants have to figure out how to put them together properly (it is far less automated than people think) and some parts that worked on paper don't in practice.

Software is buggy for a much longer period because most OEMs haven't been doing software work of the modern scale and are struggling to catch up but there are too few good software people around. Also managing software projects is notoriously difficult due to their complexity and so they always run late and start off with lots of bugs.

Software updates are as much an excuse for shipping alpha/beta software as they are a route for new features.

Totally agree, I know I'll take the usual stick for this! But it really surprises me that manufacturers don't go with tried and tested software providers. Renault and Polestar, for example, there entire software/infotainment is Google. It just works, it's simple to use and it's proven technology.

 

[Robf]

Totally agree, I know I'll take the usual stick for this! But it really surprises me that manufacturers don't go with tried and tested software providers. Renault and Polestar, for example, there entire software/infotainment is Google. It just works, it's simple to use and it's proven technology.

I agree, my big annoyance is why manufacturers still try to produce sat nav systems, they are car manufacturers, not sat nav inventors. Install google and be done with it

 

[timeades]

I agree, my big annoyance is why manufacturers still try to produce sat nav systems, they are car manufacturers, not sat nav inventors. Install google and be done with it

Most of them buy in the software then customise it to suit their needs. Top end will buy in from TomTom, Garmin etc or if they want a cheaper alternative or even free they might use an open source project or use something like Maps, geocoding, and navigation APIs & SDKs | Mapbox. I use mapbox occasionally if I want to include maps or navigation in my projects.

Interestingly TomTom recently released a charging point APIs which is why you can now use charger routing with Apple Maps and Car Play.

The open source projects by their nature have to wait for contributors to include charging mapping and the likes of mapbox have made it available but developers have to code what they want to include for their implementation Directions API | API Docs

 

[tsedge]

Totally agree, I know I'll take the usual stick for this! But it really surprises me that manufacturers don't go with tried and tested software providers. Renault and Polestar, for example, there entire software/infotainment is Google. It just works, it's simple to use and it's proven technology.

It is because they want to own the whole experience themselves. Apple are doing similar with the new version of CarPlay which will do the entire dash across all screens. In the future it may coalesce around 2 or 3 common providers but OEMs really don't want to lose control.

 

[Deleted member 10041]

It is because they want to own the whole experience themselves. Apple are doing similar with the new version of CarPlay which will do the entire dash across all screens. In the future it may coalesce around 2 or 3 common providers but OEMs really don't want to lose control.

I get that but in a lot of cases it's to the detriment of the user experience

 

[tsedge]

I get that but in a lot of cases it's to the detriment of the user experience

Yes, I agree.

Renault are making some smart moves (this and investment in new factories and vertical integration) and I think they will survive the cull of the legacy OEMs, less convinced about some of the others. I would just like them to make a car I want to drive, bring back more of the old flair.

 

[Retsiba]

It is because they want to own the whole experience themselves. Apple are doing similar with the new version of CarPlay which will do the entire dash across all screens. In the future it may coalesce around 2 or 3 common providers but OEMs really don't want to lose control.

I was going to say that and saw your post. Plus it allows them keep the money in-house (deploy towards their own R&D) rather than paying third party fees, and potentially generate additional revenue stream. If they get it right from R&D, through to product creation, bonus points for the brand and can "outsource" their tech to others that are not so good whilst staying ahead of the competition because you're never gonna not use your most recent iteration for your company.

 

[Yandards]

Well I’ve sold mine. Taking over £1000 loss on negative equity but I am relieved to be rid of it after three fairly hellish months of ownership!

I totally take your point about there being issues with lots of types of car, not just the MG4. Why is this though? Are they more dependent on software so more susceptible to errors?

I think these more modern ‘safety features’ such as lane assist which 90% of people probably turn off as soon as they get in the car have a lot to answer for, due to either being shoddy or simply getting on people’s nerves having this ridiculous routine of switching off certain ‘features’ every time you turn the car on.

I think the issue is that for years mainstream motor manufacturers have approached software for cars as lots of different modules - Bosch have specialised in providing ABS, ECU, comfort control etc etc modules which manufacturers than link up to a CANBUS switch to make it work.
Tesla came at car making from a complete software perspective which is why theirs is often so much better.
Throw in the need to personalise infortainment and even dash clock displays to provide the 'on brand' message and it's no surprise this stuff doesn't work in the car.
I have an old friend who was consulting with a large UK automaker regarding software security and designing it in but each different department just didn't get it - the car industry just hasn't evolved away from it's tried and tested stuff to get the kit working properly.
The ID3 was slated for terrible software at launch ands that's going to impact Skoda, Seat, Audi and Porsche alongside VW.
The old Friday and Monday car thing has been kicking around for decades, plus some cars are just badly designed, Peugeot/Vauxhall's combustable wiring looks for example. Sadly with software being fixable via an update getting stuff right out of the door at launch seems a thing of the past - it's endemic in everything you can update.

 

[Deleted member 10041]

I think the issue is that for years mainstream motor manufacturers have approached software for cars as lots of different modules - Bosch have specialised in providing ABS, ECU, comfort control etc etc modules which manufacturers than link up to a CANBUS switch to make it work.
Tesla came at car making from a complete software perspective which is why theirs is often so much better.
Throw in the need to personalise infortainment and even dash clock displays to provide the 'on brand' message and it's no surprise this stuff doesn't work in the car.
I have an old friend who was consulting with a large UK automaker regarding software security and designing it in but each different department just didn't get it - the car industry just hasn't evolved away from it's tried and tested stuff to get the kit working properly.
The ID3 was slated for terrible software at launch ands that's going to impact Skoda, Seat, Audi and Porsche alongside VW.
The old Friday and Monday car thing has been kicking around for decades, plus some cars are just badly designed, Peugeot/Vauxhall's combustable wiring looks for example. Sadly with software being fixable via an update getting stuff right out of the door at launch seems a thing of the past - it's endemic in everything you can update.

I agree but as I said above from a user perspective I just don't get why more manufacturers just don't follow Polestar and Renaults lead and just go with Google or similar for their software.

 

[tsedge]

I agree but as I said above from a user perspective I just don't get why more manufacturers just don't follow Polestar and Renaults lead and just go with Google or similar for their software.

Because user perspective is too low on their list of priorities.

 

[Deleted member 10041]

Because user perspective is too low on their list of priorities.

It would seem that it is but it really shouldn't be