Ohme works perfect with IOG with the 2 separate profiles set up, one with full API integration and one without (MG4) can't see why it would be different with the zappi
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We do around 15k miles a year with the MG4, and use 7000kwh a year intotal. I think Octopus know that 99% of users just plug in whenever, and I've only had a handful of times when it wont charge over the peak period, but has always been ready by the morning. Octopus has full control on how much to charge and at what rate and by when, so its upto to them to keep me in within their T&C's.
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I can see the day coming where IOG ends up just for cars that makers share the API so that it's fully integrated and octopus knows what the current state of charge of the car is.
Then people can't take the piss and add a higher % than they need just to try and get extra cheap hours.
Then people can't take the piss and add a higher % than they need just to try and get extra cheap hours.
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I emailed Octopus about this on 2nd Nov.
"
Hi,
I assumed that car charging scheduled outside the 7p window meant
only charging was at that rate. Someone has suggested to me that, say
Octopus scheduled to charge between 20:30 and 22:00, that the whole
house gets cheap(7p) rate. Which is correct please?"
They replied on 4th Nov.
"Thank you for your question!
To clarify, with your Intelligent Octopus Go tariff, the household energy benefits from the off-peak rate of 7p/kWh during the scheduled smart charging window, which is typically between 11:30pm and 05:30am.
If we schedule smart charging outside of this window, such as between 20:30 and 22:00, the energy used to charge your EV will indeed be charged at the 7p rate. However, any energy consumed in the household during that time will be charged at your standard peak rate.
If you have any further questions or need more assistance, feel free to reach out!
Kind regards,
Travis
Energy Specialist @ Octopus Energy
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So basically anyone trying to fiddle the system isn'tI emailed Octopus about this on 2nd Nov.
"
Hi,
I assumed that car charging scheduled outside the 7p window meant
only charging was at that rate. Someone has suggested to me that, say
Octopus scheduled to charge between 20:30 and 22:00, that the whole
house gets cheap(7p) rate. Which is correct please?"
They replied on 4th Nov.
"Thank you for your question!
To clarify, with your Intelligent Octopus Go tariff, the household energy benefits from the off-peak rate of 7p/kWh during the scheduled smart charging window, which is typically between 11:30pm and 05:30am.
If we schedule smart charging outside of this window, such as between 20:30 and 22:00, the energy used to charge your EV will indeed be charged at the 7p rate. However, any energy consumed in the household during that time will be charged at your standard peak rate.
If you have any further questions or need more assistance, feel free to reach out!
Kind regards,
Travis
Energy Specialist @ Octopus Energy
Rip Van
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Don't know. I didn't invent the email.
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When using IOGo do they have a current clamp on the EVSE feed? If not, how do they know exactly what the EVSE alone is taking? Or do they estimate it based on the car model in the app and the %age addition requested?
mikgle
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If that's true then octopus has changed their mind, and policy..I emailed Octopus about this on 2nd Nov.
"
Hi,
I assumed that car charging scheduled outside the 7p window meant
only charging was at that rate. Someone has suggested to me that, say
Octopus scheduled to charge between 20:30 and 22:00, that the whole
house gets cheap(7p) rate. Which is correct please?"
They replied on 4th Nov.
"Thank you for your question!
To clarify, with your Intelligent Octopus Go tariff, the household energy benefits from the off-peak rate of 7p/kWh during the scheduled smart charging window, which is typically between 11:30pm and 05:30am.
If we schedule smart charging outside of this window, such as between 20:30 and 22:00, the energy used to charge your EV will indeed be charged at the 7p rate. However, any energy consumed in the household during that time will be charged at your standard peak rate.
If you have any further questions or need more assistance, feel free to reach out!
Kind regards,
Travis
Energy Specialist @ Octopus Energy
Rip Van
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I did wonder. Think we've got a CT on our Zappi. Might check.
mikgle
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They don't need a ct clamp on the feed.. the evse itself monitors how much charge its providing!
GaryMG4
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I'd guess as the EVSE is 'smart' and they are able to tell my Zappi when to boost, the Zappi can tell them how much it has added, after all if the car rejects the charge Octopus tells me they are unable to control the device.
Rip Van
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Thank you for your question!
To clarify, with your Intelligent Octopus Go tariff, the household energy benefits from the off-peak rate of 7p/kWh during the scheduled smart charging window, which is typically between 11:30pm and 05:30am.
If we schedule smart charging outside of this window, such as between 20:30 and 22:00, the energy used to charge your EV will indeed be charged at the 7p rate. However, any energy consumed in the household during that time will be charged at your standard peak rate.
If you have any further questions or need more assistance, feel free to reach out!
Kind regards,
Travis
Energy Specialist @ Octopus Energy
If it's NOT true, shame on Octopus for misleading information. Like I said I'm not making it up. Maybe ask the question of Octopus yourself and see what they say. Maybe word the question differently? Might get the answer you expect/want/don't want.
gary333
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It'll be their AI responses getting it wrong. I always get whole house at the lower rate when the car is smart charging. Octopuses own bills don't appear to have the facility to charge at various tariffs in the same interval like they suggest.
Which backs up the you tube link where they are starting to go after people that are abusing it as it goes against their fair use policy.
They wouldn't need to if it was only the car.
If the fiddling the system continues as I said I can see it just going back to manufacturers who share their API
GaryMG4
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I've just looked back at my latest bill and for a 'bonus 30 minute slot' at 6pm I used 4.2kWh, so more than the Zappi consumes, but all of it was charged at 7p.
mikgle
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That would be unfair on the large number of ev owners who can't share the API but are using the system fairly.. if they have the ability to monitor and prevent unfair usage then more piwer to their elbow i say.. its always the few bad apples which spoil the barrel.
I agree but initially it was the case and then they introduced compatible chargers.
They problem is there are people playing the system, members have admitted it on here and this is a small section of EV owners.
Monitoring and enforcing probably takes time and costs money.
Energy companies aren't exactly known for their benevolence so may end up easier for them to scrap the compatible chargers and just go back to APIs.
Pure speculation on my part obviously
They problem is there are people playing the system, members have admitted it on here and this is a small section of EV owners.
Monitoring and enforcing probably takes time and costs money.
Energy companies aren't exactly known for their benevolence so may end up easier for them to scrap the compatible chargers and just go back to APIs.
Pure speculation on my part obviously
mikgle
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A good case of using AI for monitoring..
Or manufacturers sharing their APIs
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