Probably won’t get an MG4 again

[OriginalBigAl]

The aim is obviously self driving cars. I suspect the plan is to kill off private ownership of cars, at least for 'normal' people - it'll be short term rental, like taxis. That'll get rid of the need for so many parking spaces for cars that are only used for a few minutes each day. It'll also take away a heck of a lot of freedom that we currently have, which I have to say I think is the main aim.

The transition period, when there are self driving cars and human controlled cars on the road together, is going to be alarmingly dangerous.

A well sorted self driving car which obeys each and every road sign /regulation etc will become for its owner ,as you say, like a private taxi driven by the most boring taxi driver . If 5% of new cars are then self-driven the authorities can then start reducing speed limits introduce more double white lines and cameras knowing the other 95% of cars on the road will also have to comply as their uninhibited progress is now baulked by these law abiding conformists each most likely with a multitude of built in cameras and recording devices to cover themselves in case infractions happen within their sphere of influence. Happy days ahead???

 

[salty]

A well sorted self driving car.

They can't even get LKA etc etc etc right.
Let alone, a total self driving car.

Happy days ahead???

Very much doubt it.

 

[pjmmk]

I can't see self driving cars in the UK, not without some serious changes to the law. At present we have some of the most petty vindictive punitive laws in the world. If your self driving car kills someone, the law will look for someone to blame and the way things are at the moment, that'll be whoever is sitting in the thing whether they have control or not.

 

[LenEV2016]

I can't see self driving cars in the UK, not without some serious changes to the law. At present we have some of the most petty vindictive punitive laws in the world. If your self driving car kills someone, the law will look for someone to blame and the way things are at the moment, that'll be whoever is sitting in the thing whether they have control or not.

We also have some of the crappiest roads in terms of conditions and layout, a self driving car will struggle to interpret them

 

[Kithmo]

Has anyone managed to be alert/ ready enough to actually perform that override? It has never happened to me , but I imagine the shock / surprise is such that the accelerator is not the first natural reaction even though the continuing forward momentum acting on your body is pushing on your right foot . The natural "panic" response would be to jump even harder on the brake until you could have the wits to assess the situation.
Training yourself to override the AEB might not be advantageous to little Johnny who has just chased his ball into the road.

The car does give you a visual warning on the driver's screen and a bleep before it applies the brakes. Once you get used to recognising the warning it becomes a natural reaction to override the AEB.

"just a case"?... Bu66er that for a game of soldiers - you shouldn't have to adjust your normal driving style as a workaround for a poorly designed system that clearly hasn't had enough testing in the real world (*).

Didn't you ever have to adjust your driving in previous cars, e.g. get used to the biting point on a clutch, get used to the feel of the brake pedal, get used to the turning circle etc ?
I had a mate once who didn't, he treated the brake and accelerator pedals like switches, full on or off.

 

[Everest]

Didn't you ever have to adjust your driving in previous cars, e.g. get used to the biting point on a clutch, get used to the feel of the brake pedal, get used to the turning circle etc ?

Sure... of course.

But, IMHO, those are normally expected variations that will exist with analogue control systems. Some even being by design, such as the feel of the brakes on our 996 being far superior to the trigger-happy, over-assistance on our Golf.

But such adaptation is a far cry from needing to having to adapt to a workaround to poorly designed software; one which could bring a vehicle to an abrupt, potentially dangerously, halt.

I see what you are saying in your post above... yes, one can adapt. But the point is, one shouldn't have to adapt to a flawed system... I obviously don't know @MelanieMoxon from Eve, but someone of her experience (driving Mustang V8's and flying taildraggers, IIRC from her postings) will have more skills of handling vehicles than many of us put together.

 

[OriginalBigAl]

The car does give you a visual warning on the driver's screen and a bleep before it applies the brakes. Once you get used to recognising the warning it becomes a natural reaction to override the AEB.

Didn't you ever have to adjust your driving in previous cars, e.g. get used to the biting point on a clutch, get used to the feel of the brake pedal, get used to the turning circle etc ?
I had a mate once who didn't, he treated the brake and accelerator pedals like switches, full on or off.

As previously stated non of those warnings /braking's have happened with mine, so I'm posting as a reaction to some who have had AEB occur and say it was a bolt from the blue. Seen the available online videos both with and without the pre-warnings working. From the reaction times required to override the braking the driver must have either a nervous tic and trigger responses , have some sort of ESP its going to happen, or many cups of strong coffee before setting off.

 

[YaR]

The car does give you a visual warning on the driver's screen and a bleep before it applies the brakes. Once you get used to recognising the warning it becomes a natural reaction to override the AEB.

This can't be the AEB. I don't know what it might be, I've never seen it, but I have experienced the instant and unexpected AEB. The theoretical minimum for a human to react to a signal is 100ms. Which is why it's the cut off for false starts in track sprinting.

Even if you trained yourself to an Olympic standard to react to a visual warning to put your foot down on the accelerator to override the AEB the car would have travelled several meters before your foot moved sufficiently. No AEB system will let a car do that, it would be pointless.

I also wouldn't advise anyone to train themselves to push the accelerator in response to a warning light.

 

[OriginalBigAl]

This can't be the AEB. I don't know what it might be, I've never seen it, but I have experienced the instant and unexpected AEB. The theoretical minimum for a human to react to a signal is 100ms. Which is why it's the cut off for false starts in track sprinting.

Even if you trained yourself to an Olympic standard to react to a visual warning to put your foot down on the accelerator to override the AEB the car would have travelled several meters before your foot moved sufficiently. No AEB system will let a car do that, it would be pointless.

I also wouldn't advise anyone to train themselves to push the accelerator in response to a warning light.

Not even " warning low terrain"?

 

[Kithmo]

This can't be the AEB. I don't know what it might be, I've never seen it, but I have experienced the instant and unexpected AEB. The theoretical minimum for a human to react to a signal is 100ms. Which is why it's the cut off for false starts in track sprinting.

Even if you trained yourself to an Olympic standard to react to a visual warning to put your foot down on the accelerator to override the AEB the car would have travelled several meters before your foot moved sufficiently. No AEB system will let a car do that, it would be pointless.

I also wouldn't advise anyone to train themselves to push the accelerator in response to a warning light.

The visual is a flashing vehicle (a white block for a car) between the tram lines (lane lines ?) on the screen and there is a bleep.
I've only experienced it at low speeds as I don't drive fast through hazards like parked cars either side of the road so I wouldn't have travelled several metres by the time I reacted.
FWIW I always had it set to medium sensitivity, if that makes any difference. If I was experiencing difficulty with it I would try a different setting. I don't know if low would make it react earlier, maybe high would ?

 

[MelanieMoxon]

I had a look at the settings today, they are all on "Moderate" which after turning things down/off is what they default back to.

As for warnings on the screen...if I am driving around a stationary vehicle or through a gap, I'm not looking at the screen, I'm looking out of the windows and in the mirrors, generally the first thing I know about it is the warning noise and the brakes being applied, in the last case for no reason that I could see.

As for adapting driving styles on previous cars, absolutely but they were all simply shifting the amount of gas pedal needed as the engines got more powerful and then learning how to drive a RWD with no TCS and a LSD, none of those cars ever hit the brakes on me.

 

[Kenp1]

Mine is set to low for LKA and AEB, and it stays on that setting after a restart.

 

[Tuareg]

I had a look at the settings today, they are all on "Moderate" which after turning things down/off is what they default back to.

As for warnings on the screen...if I am driving around a stationary vehicle or through a gap, I'm not looking at the screen, I'm looking out of the windows and in the mirrors, generally the first thing I know about it is the warning noise and the brakes being applied, in the last case for no reason that I could see.

As for adapting driving styles on previous cars, absolutely but they were all simply shifting the amount of gas pedal needed as the engines got more powerful and then learning how to drive a RWD with no TCS and a LSD, none of those cars ever hit the brakes on me.

Best you don't buy a BYD then

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or a VW IDx

Unprovoked emergency braking

I haven’t been able to find a post on this, but I am having a real problem with my 2021 ID4 Pro (2 months old). Within the past week, 3 times the emergency braking function of the front assist technology has activated suddenly and without warning, jerking that car to a sudden stop and triggering...

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or a KIA

Concern about AEB...

There's a few unprotected left turns along busy roads in my town that I routinely have to make. I'm not one to wait for an overly-generous opening to make my move. When I see an opening large enough to make it through (with some margin) then I take it. Having an EV with its instant acceleration...

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or a Tesla

Startled by computer taking over braking [Automatic Emergency Braking]

Yeah.. after 3 months the computer decided that I was not stopping fast enough in a semi emergency and slammed on the brakes. It's very unsettling to be pushing one the brakes then have them drop another inch on their own with that damn alarm. The driver behind me ended up next to me because she...

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or a Seat

Brake Assist Slamming On

Couple of days ago while manouvering in a smallish parking spot shunting back and forth with the radar detect bleeping away I moved forward and there was a mighty crash as though I had hit something Big red sign on dash brakes jammed on . Got out and looked nothing Now this was so aggresive and...

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maybe you shouldn't own an EV and stick to an Austin Allegro?

 

[decrep]

But is it just EVs, why should they have inferior AEB than ICE vehicles?

 

[salty]

But is it just EVs, why should they have inferior AEB than ICE vehicles?

Do they though. Presume New ICE cars, have to have AEB and all the other "safety" shite. They might be crap aswell,
can't see, EVs or ICE making any difference.