Advice about buying a charging cable

[Tight Git]

So am I right to say there's no point getting a 3 phase cable for the phase 2 MG4s, is single phase enough for 7kw?

Yes UK will only charge at 7kW as they don't have the 3 phase any more.

 

[zonerush]

The big question is (and apologies if this has already been answered), but why oh why did MG choose to only supply the latest MG4 model with single phase charging capability in the UK? I have the Trophy and I love the car, but how annoying to charge next to a Zoe and see that they get 1.5x faster charging than I can

 

[Ian Key]

My guess is that 99% of homes in the UK are only single phase so why spend money on installing a 3 phase charger for 1% of the population.

 

[Rolfe]

But there are lots of more powerful public type 2 chargers people might want to use. Especially people who can't charge at home.

 

[tsedge]

But there are lots of more powerful public type 2 chargers people might want to use. Especially people who can't charge at home.

Yes, although if the choice is 3x 7kW chargers vs 1x 22kW, some people would prefer that we have many more public chargers rather than faster ones. Of course, both would be better.

 

[Rolfe]

While that's true, the simple fact on the ground is that there are quite a lot of 22 Kw chargers around. Many people would like to use these, and I imagine that if you don't have home charging and want to pick up as much charge as you can when out and about they'd be extremely handy. It doesn't affect me, but I do think the decision to remove that capability from the new NMC-battery models was peculiar and short-sighted.

 

[ukslim]

While that's true, the simple fact on the ground is that there are quite a lot of 22 Kw chargers around. Many people would like to use these, and I imagine that if you don't have home charging and want to pick up as much charge as you can when out and about they'd be extremely handy. It doesn't affect me, but I do think the decision to remove that capability from the new NMC-battery models was peculiar and short-sighted.

I agree it's slightly irritating, but for the number of times it'll be a problem, I see why they've cut that corner. 22kW chargers are fairly unusual even in public, and 50kW ones are increasingly common. There aren't all that many circumstances where you'd not prefer a 50 to a 22.

(And I'm an advocate of flooding every destination with 7kW chargers)

 

[MG5Hyperion]

I agree it's slightly irritating, but for the number of times it'll be a problem, I see why they've cut that corner. 22kW chargers are fairly unusual even in public, and 50kW ones are increasingly common. There aren't all that many circumstances where you'd not prefer a 50 to a 22.

(And I'm an advocate of flooding every destination with 7kW chargers)

Hi ukslim,

On the thread with regard to 11kW chargers I posted the full explanation of the reasoning of my opinion about this specific topic.

While off course 7kW chargers are useful and should be plentiful it does require you to spent a lot of time at a place. This becomes especially important if you can’t charge at home.
DC chargers (even 50kW ones) are too fast for places where you want to hang out for a while. Which leaves you with this awkward place where you’d have to cut your time short or move the car.
A choice a lot of the general public don’t want to make.

And with 11kW chargers our cars (mg4&5) will charge about 50% in 2-2,5hrs.

 

[PeteC]

I agree it's slightly irritating, but for the number of times it'll be a problem, I see why they've cut that corner. 22kW chargers are fairly unusual even in public, and 50kW ones are increasingly common. There aren't all that many circumstances where you'd not prefer a 50 to a 22.

(And I'm an advocate of flooding every destination with 7kW chargers)

There aren't that many 22kW chargers where I live in England but when I go to Scotland they are quite common. I find them really useful as they are cheaper than the 50kW ones but charge at about 1.5 times the speed of 7kW chargers. That means roughly 2 hours rather than 3 for the same amount of charge. As I am totally dependent on public chargers while I'm in Scotland, I'm very happy that my Trophy can take 11kW. It makes 'grazing' when convenient more worthwhile.

 

[Corindikev]

In Australia & NZ the only MG4 to get a 3 phase charging capability is the MG4 Essence (Trophy equivalent) long range 77kWh model.

It make sense here as almost all houses except farms and businesses have single phase supply. Also because in Australia the uptake of EVs has been super slow until early this year, there are very few public 11/22kW 3 phase chargers available.

 

[Rolfe]

There aren't that many 22kW chargers where I live in England but when I go to Scotland they are quite common. I find them really useful as they are cheaper than the 50kW ones but charge at about 1.5 times the speed of 7kW chargers. That means roughly 2 hours rather than 3 for the same amount of charge. As I am totally dependent on public chargers while I'm in Scotland, I'm very happy that my Trophy can take 11kW. It makes 'grazing' when convenient more worthwhile.

Yes, I see them around. There's even a 48 kW Type 2 connector on our village charger. I never expected my car to do more than 7 kW AC, but if I'd bought a phase 2 Trophy only to discover that its higher AC charging ability had been removed, I think I'd have been a bit miffed.

 

[Tonych]

I smile when charging on street because I see the same Tesla and 2 Kias using crappy type 2 chargers and getting 4kw while I can get 11kw at the same post

 

[Tonych]

I smile when charging on street because I see the same Tesla and 2 Kias using crappy type 2 chargers and getting 4kw while I can get 11kw at the same post

Meant type 2 charger cables

 

[securespark]

I have Ohme Home Pro at home, with a tethered 5m lead.

We only got a Granny lead with the car, so I did some research on Amazon. Initially, I bought a lead from an MG dealer. It arrived in an MG branded bag, but the lead was a generic one. It was also only single phase, up to 7.2kW.

I returned it and instead bought this one that was 3 phase, able to charge up to 22kW.

We have only used it a couple of times, but it seems very good.

Gruensauber Type 2 to Type 2 EV charging cable, 3 Phase, 32 Amp, 22kw, 5M Mode 3 EV Charging Cable, with Free Carry Case https://amzn.eu/d/djexliU