EV opposition in the media is ramping up

[johnb80]

I have a Co-pilot check list in my aircraft. There are only 2 rules.

1. Keep your mouth SHUT
2. Don't touch ANYTHING.

I always had in addition:-
3) In the event of an emergency, when I pass you on the way out you are to assume the rank of captain.

 

[Rolfe]

The A9 is popular this December for bonfires it seems.
A kia, but an ice one - it's a sedona.

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For a second I thought that was another report of the same incident, but it isn't.

 

[rjkirk]

Good for you. I couldn't stand it!

I had a discussion with a woman after church on Sunday, someone I've known for a long time. I don't know how we got on to the subject, but she started coming out with all the DM fallacies. I said, you're reading too much Daily Mail. She said she never reads it, and I believe her. She's not the type. I think she has been listening to people who do read the Daily Mail, or people who have been listening to people who read the Daily Mail, etc. The narrative spreads well beyond the actual readers of the paper.

EVs are terribly polluting. They're really bad for the roads. The batteries catch fire and explode. Charging is a nightmare. And the rest. Her family has three cars, but sometimes all three need to do long journeys at the same time so they couldn't even manage with one EV. (I think they're loaded, actually, no reason they couldn't go for a really long range model.)

The idea of putting a canopy over the village charge-point (which is just in front of the church) had her up in arms. I totally missed a trick, I should have asked her if she was against the wooden bus shelter that's about 50 yards further down the road. Because that's all it would take.

Some people.

Here's a fact you could use.
4 in 100,000 ev cars catch fire
68 in 100,000 ICE cars catch fire.

 

[Archev]

Here's a fact you could use.
4 in 100,000 ev cars catch fire
68 in 100,000 ICE cars catch fire.

BBQ or CCS ?? Or something like that.

 

[johnb80]

Here's a fact you could use.
4 in 100,000 ev cars catch fire
68 in 100,000 ICE cars catch fire.

Source of data?

 

[Ruislip Resident]

Source of data?

MG community forum.

 

[GaryMG4]

MG community forum.

IIRC Electric Classic Cars quoted Sweden 2022 as 0.8/100,000 ice vs 0.04/100,000 ev which included phev and hybrid. Similar figures NTSB in the US.

 

[johnb80]

IIRC Electric Classic Cars quoted Sweden 2022 as 0.8/100,000 ice vs 0.04/100,000 ev which included phev and hybrid. Similar figures NTSB in the US.

Thanks, just nice to know when I quote it to petrolhead anti EV brigade.

 

[Rolfe]

And another one, again in Scotland, yesterday.

Buses diverted after car fire closes road

www.glasgowtimes.co.uk

If one EV did this it would be all over the national media, but when ICE cars do it, which they do frequently, it's an inside story in a local paper, and the focus is usually the disruption caused to traffic.

 

[siteguru]

Supposedly caused by an EV catching fire whilst charging. Any of our NZ colleagues know of this and able to confirm or debunk this?

 

[Rolfe]

If you watch the beginning, it was a hybrid, not an EV.

I just did a quick and dirty compilation of links to recent ICE car fires, mainly concentrating in Scotland, all in Britain, and a couple of recent recalls for fire risk. Any additional links, please let me know.

Buses diverted after car fire closes road

www.glasgowtimes.co.uk

A9 reopens after vehicle fire near Pitlochry

The road was closed in both directions while emergency services dealt with the fire.

www.thecourier.co.uk

Dingwall mums have lucky escape after car erupts into flames on busy A9

Suzanne Mackay and her friend Charlotte were guided to safety by a Good Samaritan just moments before the car exploded near Munlochy junction.

www.pressandjournal.co.uk

Scots mum's Mercedes-Benz car fire horror double as two motors burst into flames

Nikki McAllen's A-Class saloon went on fire while she was driving through Balloch in November with the courtesy car provided by the manufacturer suffering the same fate on Friday, January 14.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk

Woman dies following early morning vehicle fire on B780 road

Police say that there were no suspicious circumstances surrounding the death.

www.ardrossanherald.com

Van fire shuts stretch of M25 - live updates

Delays are continuing on the M25 - updates as we get them

www.kentlive.news

Woman was 'minutes from death' as £30,000 Mercedes sets fire

A WOMAN said she was “minutes from death” after her Mercedes caught fire moments before she stepped out of the vehicle.

www.bournemouthecho.co.uk

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a43960988/mercedes-amg-one-fire-uk/

Firefighters extinguish vehicle blaze on town street

Fire crews extinguished a vehicle blaze in town yesterday afternoon.

www.lynnnews.co.uk

Lanes closed and 45 minute delays expected after vehicle fire on M6

Lanes one and two on the M6 are closed between junction 31, in Preston, and junction 30.

www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk

Hyundai and Kia recall nearly 3.4 million vehicles due to fire risk

Hyundai and Kia are recalling nearly 3.4 million vehicles and telling owners to park them outside due to the risk of engine compartment fires

www.independent.co.uk

Vauxhall recalls Zafira models for third time over new fire risk

The car giant says the latest recall affects cars built between 2005 and 2014 which do not have electronic climate control.

news.sky.com

 

[Archev]

If you watch the beginning, it was a hybrid, not an EV.

I just did a quick and dirty compilation of links to recent ICE car fires, mainly concentrating in Scotland, all in Britain, and a couple of recent recalls for fire risk. Any additional links, please let me know.

Buses diverted after car fire closes road

www.glasgowtimes.co.uk

A9 reopens after vehicle fire near Pitlochry

The road was closed in both directions while emergency services dealt with the fire.

www.thecourier.co.uk

Dingwall mums have lucky escape after car erupts into flames on busy A9

Suzanne Mackay and her friend Charlotte were guided to safety by a Good Samaritan just moments before the car exploded near Munlochy junction.

www.pressandjournal.co.uk

Scots mum's Mercedes-Benz car fire horror double as two motors burst into flames

Nikki McAllen's A-Class saloon went on fire while she was driving through Balloch in November with the courtesy car provided by the manufacturer suffering the same fate on Friday, January 14.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk

Woman dies following early morning vehicle fire on B780 road

Police say that there were no suspicious circumstances surrounding the death.

www.ardrossanherald.com

Van fire shuts stretch of M25 - live updates

Delays are continuing on the M25 - updates as we get them

www.kentlive.news

Woman was 'minutes from death' as £30,000 Mercedes sets fire

A WOMAN said she was “minutes from death” after her Mercedes caught fire moments before she stepped out of the vehicle.

www.bournemouthecho.co.uk

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a43960988/mercedes-amg-one-fire-uk/

Firefighters extinguish vehicle blaze on town street

Fire crews extinguished a vehicle blaze in town yesterday afternoon.

www.lynnnews.co.uk

Lanes closed and 45 minute delays expected after vehicle fire on M6

Lanes one and two on the M6 are closed between junction 31, in Preston, and junction 30.

www.lancashiretelegraph.co.uk

Hyundai and Kia recall nearly 3.4 million vehicles due to fire risk

Hyundai and Kia are recalling nearly 3.4 million vehicles and telling owners to park them outside due to the risk of engine compartment fires

www.independent.co.uk

Vauxhall recalls Zafira models for third time over new fire risk

The car giant says the latest recall affects cars built between 2005 and 2014 which do not have electronic climate control.

news.sky.com

Quite a collection you’re building up there,well done.

 

[Rolfe]

Honestly, I was spoiled for choice. It started when I saw a tweet from Traffic Scotland a few days ago about one of the three recent incidents in Scotland. It was only a warning of a road closed, or a traffic delay, but it mentioned the cause. I googled to find a news report of it, and was absolutely deluged. Three in a week in Scotland alone. Then I kept scrolling and it was more and more. Some of them that I originally thought were duplicate reports of the same incident turned out not to be.

But they're mostly in the inside pages of the local rags, either headlining that the bus was re-routed or a road was temporarily closed, or they're human interest stories about the local person's lucky escape. The one where the same woman had two identical cars burst into flames within 10 weeks was particularly jawdropping.

It just isn't news. Not even when it's the same model on multiple occasions, or there is a global recall because of fire risk.

 

[Ian Key]

I got caught up in the traffic jam caused by a car fire on the A38 near Derby on Saturday night. No mention of it in the press or local news as it was an ICE car.

 

[salty]

I got caught up in the traffic jam caused by a car fire on the A38 near Derby on Saturday night. No mention of it in the press or local news as it was an ICE car.

There wouldn't be, Ian, that's not news in the anti EVist's minds. Sad innit.

 

[tsedge]

Supposedly caused by an EV catching fire whilst charging. Any of our NZ colleagues know of this and able to confirm or debunk this?

Given the description babbles on about "far-left crazies promoting EVs" and lists all the reasons why EVs are the spawn of satan I wouldn't give this video any credit at all - it could be anything.

Oh look, found this. Same one?

Devastating Coromandel fire: EV not to blame, $3.7m mansion owners thank community

Social media speculation had incorrectly blamed an EV for the fire.

www.nzherald.co.nz

 

[salty]

It's a shame, but now unfortunately the norm, when devastating fire headlines have to say, "EV not to blame" because otherwise, its just presumed that they must be. God forbid it was an ICE car.

 

[Archev]

It's a shame, but now unfortunately the norm, when devastating fire headlines have to say, "EV not to blame" because otherwise, its just presumed that they must be. God forbid it was an ICE car.

Personally I’ve had enough I’m afraid, I’m going to leave you all to it and say my goodbyes. All these tales about EV’s and now being told I’m a lefty weirdo just settles it. So, my dear friends with whom I’ve enjoyed lots of banter and found out so much from about what I truly believed was the bright new future, I’m putting my beloved MG 5 in the garage, sealing all the gaps, opening all the car windows and, with a full charge, breath deeply and accept my fate ……….

 

[Rolfe]

Oh look, found this. Same one?

Devastating Coromandel fire: EV not to blame, $3.7m mansion owners thank community

Social media speculation had incorrectly blamed an EV for the fire.

www.nzherald.co.nz

Good spot.

I googled to see if I could find a news item on the fire Ian mentioned, but all I could find was a traffic alert page which had already expired. Maybe by this time next week there will be a couple of paragraphs in some local weekly rag about it. Or maybe not, as it's Christmas and not really news. But when googling I turned up another whole slew of reports of earlier fires - still quite recent.

It seems to me that if you google the number of a road with the words "vehicle fire" you'll get about half a dozen of them. It's quite scary really.

 

[Archev]

Personally I’ve had enough I’m afraid, I’m going to leave you all to it and say my goodbyes. All these tales about EV’s and now being told I’m a lefty weirdo just settles it. So, my dear friends with whom I’ve enjoyed lots of banter and found out so much from about what I truly believed was the bright new future, I’m putting my beloved MG 5 in the garage, sealing all the gaps, opening all the car windows and, with a full charge, breath deeply and accept my fate ……….

Ach! this is hopeless I’m feeling fine. Stuff this for a game of chargers. I’ve got an electric oven, electric CH boiler, the ev car has no exhaust and the old motorcycle doesn’t start. I think I’ll go and redeem my free hot drink voucher at Dobbies garden centre.