New MG4 coming? (merged)

[NickHeynes]

All the EVs that i know with front charge socket are FWD

But I thought that the MSP meant that all models using it would be RWD or AWD not FWD . It Doesn't make sense to me to develop the MSP and then move away from it . The ES5 is RWD so why wouldn't the new MG 4 be?

 

[Paulie68]

[ Moderator: Moved from a separate thread in the MG4 Xpower sub-forum. ]

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Interestingly this is the Next Gen MG4

Think i prefer the sharper lines of current gen if im 100% honest

Also be interesting if and what the next gen X power will have over the base looking one !!

Man, that's as dull as ditch water, what a generic looking blob! I suppose the best you could say about it is it's inoffensive looking. Take the badges off and it could be from almost any Marque, or none.

 

[securespark]

Renault Scenic FWD. Front charging port.
Kia Niro FWD. Front charging port.
Hyundai Kona FWD. Front charging port.
MG ZS FWD. Front charging port.
Nissan Leaf FWD. Front charging port.
Kia EV3 FWD. Front charging port.
Renault Zoe FWD. Front charging port.

 

[OriginalBigAl]

According to L,Argus French motoring website, it is front wheel drive, and not destined for the European market. The current style MG4 is due to be updated at the end of 2025.

 

[iqon]

Looks boring.

 

[securespark]

Renault Scenic FWD. Front charging port.
Kia Niro FWD. Front charging port.
Hyundai Kona FWD. Front charging port.
MG ZS FWD. Front charging port.
Nissan Leaf FWD. Front charging port.
Kia EV3 FWD. Front charging port.
Renault Zoe FWD. Front charging port.

I forgot the Nissan Ariya....

 

[ReintjeWA]

Renault Scenic FWD. Front charging port.
Kia Niro FWD. Front charging port.
Hyundai Kona FWD. Front charging port.
MG ZS FWD. Front charging port.
Nissan Leaf FWD. Front charging port.
Kia EV3 FWD. Front charging port.
Renault Zoe FWD. Front charging port.

I wonder what the reasoning is, surely most EVs would have the battery pack between the two axles somewhere in the middle of the car, so cables from the charge port run roughly the same length whether the port is in the front or back.

How would this have any correlation with which axle is the driven one? I get it with a mechanical drive (front engine and FWD saves parts etc.) but for an electric motor it shouldn’t really matter right?

 

[ilukey77]

Man, that's as dull as ditch water, what a generic looking blob! I suppose the best you could say about it is it's inoffensive looking. Take the badges off and it could be from almost any Marque, or none.

I was watching some videos about it. It's MG's chance at a global car because while the MG4 sells great in most other countries it sell really really badly in China.

 

[Corindikev]

Boring, bland and bigger & possibly front wheel drive, less power and with a battery from a company no-one has ever heard of. The Chinese can keep this one maybe as an inner city Shanghai taxi.

The current model had its original design work done by the Royal Academy of Arts and engineering by the old MG design team now SAIC London, who also were involved with the design of the Cyberster.

 

[securespark]

I wonder what the reasoning is, surely most EVs would have the battery pack between the two axles somewhere in the middle of the car, so cables from the charge port run roughly the same length whether the port is in the front or back.

How would this have any correlation with which axle is the driven one? I get it with a mechanical drive (front engine and FWD saves parts etc.) but for an electric motor it shouldn’t really matter right?

It was Bing Bong who got me thinking.

So I looked up all the FWD EVs I could think of (I'm sure there are many more) and they all have charging ports at the front.

Conversely, the few RWD EVs I can think of off the top of my head all have charging ports at the rear:

MG MG4
Skoda Enyaq
Kia EV6
Hyundai Ioniq 5
Skoda Elroq
Hyundai Ioniq 6

I'm not sure there is any correlation at all. I'm just pointing out that of all the EVs I can think of, all the front drive ones have front ports and all the rear drive ones have rear ports.

If anyone would like to list EVs that have front drive and rear ports or rear drive and front ports, please post them here!

Edited to correct error.

 

[Archev]

It was Bing Bong who got me thinking.

So I looked up all the FWD EVs I could think of (I'm sure there are many more) and they all have charging ports at the front.

Conversely, the few RWD EVs I can think of off the top of my head all have charging ports at the rear:

MG MG4
Skoda Enyaq
Kia EV6
Hyundai Ioniq 5
Skoda Elroq
Hyundai Ioniq 6

I'm not sure there is any correlation at all. I'm just pointing out that of all the EVs I can think of, all the front drive ones have front ports and all the rear drive ones have rear ports.

If anyone would like to list EVs that have front drive and rear ports or rear drive and front ports, please post them here!

Edited to correct error.

My front wheel drive Citroen e Berlingo has its charge port on the near side just behind the sliding side door.
That’s the same place as the diesel version fills its preferred motion lotion.
The sliding door locks out so it won’t get in the way of the cable while charging.

 

[Coulomb]

I'm just pointing out that of all the EVs I can think of, all the front drive ones have front ports and all the rear drive ones have rear ports.

I hadn't noticed that correlation before, but it makes sense to me now. When you can charge at say 96kW and 400 V (240 A) continuously for tens of minutes, you need copper wire with significant cross sectional area from the battery to the charge port via some contactors. That wire costs many dollars per metre (pounds per foot), and it takes up space with all the insulation and protection, so it makes sense to minimise its length.

Yes, the battery is about the middle, but it takes up a significant fraction (half?) of the length of the vehicle, and the high voltage cable will connect at one end of the battery. You want the battery cables to be near the motor controller for the same reasons. So the end of the battery should be near the motor controller, and the charging port should be near the end of the battery. So the charging port should be near where the main drive motor is.

 

[Coulomb]

My front wheel drive Citroen e Berlingo has its charge port on the near side just behind the sliding side door.
That’s the same place as the diesel version fills its preferred motion lotion.

Ok, a counter-example. I won't say the exception that proves the rule, because that's just silly.

I wonder if there are many "designed as EV" models that have the charge port at the other end to the main drive motor.

 

[tsedge]

Doesn't look great, but then I never have the same car twice in a row, so I am not looking at a replacement MG4 anyway. I suspect they'll want whatever sells best in China, rather than UK needs, which is a shame.

 

[ReintjeWA]

Ok, a counter-example. I won't say the exception that proves the rule, because that's just silly.

I wonder if there are many "designed as EV" models that have the charge port at the other end to the main drive motor.

To be fair this could be down to the platform being used for ICE as well, so perhaps they take the extra cost for the cabling over the extra cost for redesigning the charge port location.

 

[securespark]

All the EVs that i know with front charge socket are FWD

All credit to Bing Bong really with this statement that got me thinking. Then I researched all the EVs I could think of off the top of my noggin and looked into whether they were F or R WD and where the charging port was.

 

[LenEV2016]

All credit to Bing Bong really with this statement that got me thinking. Then I researched all the EVs I could think of off the top of my noggin and looked into whether they were F or R WD and where the charging port was.

The only one I can think of is the Mustang Mach E
RWD and port on front wing

 

[Everest]

I wonder if there are many "designed as EV" models that have the charge port at the other end to the main drive motor.

Also Porsche Taycan RWD has two charge points, one each side, both on front wing.

Edited to add. I just saw for the first time, in checking my memory on the above, a "Porsche Taycan E 4S Cross Turismo" - now that really is fugly What were they thinking? - doesn't deserve the 'Porsche' name, IMHO.

 

[WonkoTheSaneUK]

Also Porsche Taycan RWD has two charge points, one each side, both on front wing.

Edited to add. I just saw for the first time, in checking my memory on the above, a "Porsche Taycan E 4S Cross Turismo" - now that really is fugly What were they thinking? - doesn't deserve the 'Porsche' name, IMHO.

It looks far better with its other bodyshell on - It's really an Audi A6 Avant e-tron.

 

[Bam Bam]

Australians now reporting that the blobby MG4 is for the Chinese market and the regular MG4 is for the export market.

So maybe we will be continuing with the current shape for a while yet.

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