Lane Keep Assist love.....

[GameZone]

So, for 2 days I lost the "steering wheel" symbol and LKA.....!

Now its back Is MG doing some weird over the air updates of is it Rusty's time of the month

Could just be dirt on the Camera

 

[Captain]

Could just be dirt on the Camera

why am I thinking insulation tape
It's got to worth a try

 

[securespark]

Maybe it has trained me to keep off the lines and I actually indicate more when changing lane .

Ha, ha! It tickles me to see Mrs S being trained to use the indicators to change lanes so that she doesn't get "the nudge".

 

[AdeSc]

I fear they are too late if they are. An acquaintance of mine is so frustrated with his MG4 Trophy, he took it back to the dealer, told them it was not fit for purpose as it did an emergency stop on a clear road with dashcam footage to prove it and a warning from a traffic officer, insisted on a full refund and has now bought an Ioniq! He is a lawyer specialising in litigation. I might need to engage his service

 

[olliewebb]

Mirror, signal as required, manoeuvre. You don't signal to an empty road.

Where I live no one ever does, doesn't matter if the road is empty or packed - it's not restricted to BMWs any more. The worst cars for it are Vauxhalls.

Don't even get me started on using roundabouts and staying in their own bloody lane, and leaving the roundabout in the correct lane!

Probably because where I live is baby boomer central and they all can't drive.

 

[Rolfe]

Oh dear.

I realise with me (been driving for over 50 years) it's automatic. Check all around for other road users, decide if I need to advise any of them what I'm about to do, if so, signal and keep an eye on them, then do it.

 

[AdeSc]

Where I live no one ever does, doesn't matter if the road is empty or packed - it's not restricted to BMWs any more. The worst cars for it are Vauxhalls.

Don't even get me started on using roundabouts and staying in their own bloody lane, and leaving the roundabout in the correct lane!

Probably because where I live is baby boomer central and they all can't drive.

In my opinion, everyone should have to requalify every three years to keep their licence. I live in a cul-de-sac and watching people turn around in quite a big T is amusing to say the least. Only about 20% are proficient at reversing in a straight line. I also advocate signalling to an empty road, it just means if you do it every time, you don’t need to think about it, it becomes automatic. As for lane discipline, that’s why I have to fit me dash cam. Abysmal at best.

 

[Rolfe]

I don't think signalling should be automatic. I think that if you look first to see who you are signalling to, then you're aware of your surroundings. If you signal no matter what, I think there's a danger of believing that now you've signalled you can just go right ahead and carry out the manoeuvre.

But different people have different opinions, and perhaps different people find different routines to be the safest thing for them.

 

[olliewebb]

I think there's a danger of believing that now you've signalled you can just go right ahead and carry out the manoeuvre.

As someone who rides bikes too I reckon this is total bobbins. I don't even scratch my arse without doing the lifesaver check first.

Last time I checked it was "mirror, signal, manoeuvre", and you can stop at any point if it isn't safe. Signalling is just a good habit - which is why all the old buggers around me don't do it, they have crap habits from years of piss-poor driving.

Remember, signalling isn't for you, it's for everyone else, and you might have missed one despite extra checks. And personally, I generally do give a stuff about others. Seems every time I drive I get behind someone at a roundabout and I'm thinking "where the hell are you going?" because there's no indication of any sort, then suddenly they blast it all the way right, and then the best one is when they indicate after they've made the move and they're off the roundabout. Boils my piss. Same on motorways, why do people signal when they're half way through pulling in and out of lanes?

 

[AdeSc]

I don't think signalling should be automatic. I think that if you look first to see who you are signalling to, then you're aware of your surroundings. If you signal no matter what, I think there's a danger of believing that now you've signalled you can just go right ahead and carry out the manoeuvre.

But different people have different opinions, and perhaps different people find different routines to be the safest thing for them.

I do understand what you’re saying. For me, I have additional training. I’m always aware of what is around, in front and behind for quite some distance. I also have choices when people do stupid things because of how I position my vehicle. It’s a habit I cant lose now but it keeps me safe.

As someone who rides bikes too I reckon this is total bobbins. I don't even scratch my arse without doing the lifesaver check first.

Last time I checked it was "mirror, signal, manoeuvre", and you can stop at any point if it isn't safe.

You ride a bike! You are way braver than I am, way more brave.

 

[olliewebb]

You ride a bike! You are way braver than I am, way more brave.

Lincolnshire 'innit.

 

[Rolfe]

I think we've had this discussion before and can possibly agree to disagree. I'm against the attitude that thinks they can just carry on regardless so long as they signalled.

I also think that if you might possibly have missed seeing another road user, and you're not aware of that possibility, maybe you shouldn't be driving.

 

[olliewebb]

I also think that if you might possibly have missed seeing another road user, and you're not aware of that possibility, maybe you shouldn't be driving.

Could be a pedestrian or cyclist at night in the dark in dark clothing - which is extremely common where I live. You might not see them until they're in the sweep of your headlights, signalling provides light to the side and also lets them know your intentions. You could say it's their fault, but not something that deserves injuring or killing over.

And no, streetlights aren't really a thing here either.

 

[AdeSc]

Lincolnshire 'innit.

Oooh… nuff said

 

[Rolfe]

Could be a pedestrian or cyclist at night in the dark in dark clothing - which is extremely common where I live. You might not see them until they're in the sweep of your headlights, signalling provides light to the side and also lets them know your intentions. You could say it's their fault, but not something that deserves injuring or killing over.

And no, streetlights aren't really a thing here either.

Note, "... or you're not aware of that possibility..."

Although, if I was in a situation where someone I hadn't seen might be impacted by something I was about to do, I don't think signalling would be enough.

 

[olliewebb]

Note, "... or you're not aware of that possibility..."

Sound. I'll hand my license in fella.

Driving is risky - I mitigate it my way, any tiny thing that takes no effort I'll do. You do you I suppose.

 

[Rolfe]

I already said we should probably agree to disagree. I've managed not to hit anyone in over 50 years driving, anyway. Although one or two people have hit me...

 

[siteguru]

I don't think signalling should be automatic. I think that if you look first to see who you are signalling to, then you're aware of your surroundings. If you signal no matter what, I think there's a danger of believing that now you've signalled you can just go right ahead and carry out the manoeuvre.

Ashley Neal (driving instructor, and also someone who trains other driving instructors) agrees with you.

Another video about signalling:

 

[Rolfe]

I think it's something people should be free to disagree about - perhaps depending on how they have been taught. If others feel safer signalling to an empty road, who am I to try to dissuade them?

ETA. That video explains very well how I was taught and how I have been driving for 50 years.

One time an idiot hit me, I was actually signalling. I was in a narrow country road, and turning right into a driveway. I was positioned to the right of my "lane" (there weren't any actual lanes) on the crown of the road, and I had slowed down to almost a crawl. As I began to make the right turn, a woman shot up behind me, pulled out to overtake, and went straight into my right front wing. I actually heard the indicator cancel itself as the force of the impact threw the steering to the left.

At first she was full of apologies, and admitted it was her fault. But then, when the insurance got involved, she took the position that I hadn't been signalling. I had, but the impact cancelled the signal. I was pretty cross that the insurance decided to do it on a knock for knock basis. Mainly because my position on the road and speed should have made it clear to anyone that I was about to turn right even if I hadn't been signalling.

Of course, I didn't say that to the insurance company, because it would have sounded like an admisison that I hadn't been signalling. But given what happened, it should have been obvious that the other driver was at fault regardless. The road was narrow and not wide enough for anyone to think about overtaking anyway. But she shot round the corner and was thrown by my car being almost stationary in front of her. She instinctively pulled to the right to avoid rear-ending me, only to hit me as I began to turn. But the signalling was actually pretty irrelevant.

 

[Willavoy01]

I don't mind LKA on the MG4, my previous Peugeot 3008 was way worse and partners Volvo XC40 was dangerous.