MG4 Range

[bazza123uk]

It's almost as if people don't do any research before buying an EV ..

That's not true. When I first had the care it said 285 mile range so 194 is aweful

 

[MuzGB1970]

Take 30% off for winter and 285 becomes 200, not much different from your 194. Sounds like it's as expected.

 

[bazza123uk]

MG do not say this. They only mention difference in range due to driving conditions eg motorways etc

 

[MuzGB1970]

"Range figures are provided for comparative purposes only and may not reflect real life driving results, which will depend upon a number of factors including the accessories fitted (post-registration), variations in weather, driving styles and vehicle load."

Taken off the MG4 page.

 

[liberostelios]

Fwiw, the Trophy doesn't have a claimed range of 280, but 270 miles instead (something about the rear spoiler and the extra equipment is slightly reducing its efficiency).

 

[bazza123uk]

"Range figures are provided for comparative purposes only and may not reflect real life driving results, which will depend upon a number of factors including the accessories fitted (post-registration), variations in weather, driving styles and vehicle load."

Taken off the MG4 page.

I dont think a 32% drop in range is a a variation. Its massive

 

[bazza123uk]

Fwiw, the Trophy doesn't have a claimed range of 280, but 270 miles instead (something about the rear spoiler and the extra equipment is slightly reducing its efficiency).

285 was not a claim but an actual figure on the display

 

[Ayoull]

I dont think a 32% drop in range is a a variation. Its massive

Look at ICE car efficiency in winter you'll see around a 20% drop in their range due to the fact cold weather increases rolling resistance on roads, also cold denser air uses more energy to combust than warm air.

 

[Deleted member 10041]

I dont think a 32% drop in range is a a variation. Its massive

Figures taken from EV database website, based on SE long range, which is better than the trophy

Combined - Cold Weather *

190 mi

Combined - Mild Weather *

260 mi

 

[Ryan]

I took delivery of my Trophy today and its averaging between 3-3.5 miles per KWh giving a range of roughly 210 miles which would seem about right given the current weather etc. I would never expect to get the full 270 claimed range. No car whether petrol diesel or electric really get their quoted MPG/Range

 

[liberostelios]

I dont think a 32% drop in range is a a variation. Its massive

Unfortunately, it's not massive. A 30% difference in winter can be expected, especially when you don't have a heat pump. Other factors can be the type of driving, e.g. I assume you got your 285 miles figure after driving in the city for a while?

 

[Cocijo]

I agree that for some newcomers to EV’s the cold weather impact on miles/kWh can be a big surprise.

Even if you’re done a bit of homework before buying, it still can surprise you.
The main reason it is such a talking point is that the range at best on most EV’s is not excessive and is always a nagging concern for some people. If the starting point was typically a range of 500miles it would not really be discussed that much.

I always say to anyone considering buying an EV and asking about range - look at the official published range and take off 35% - if that still suits your needs then anything else you get is a bonus.

With an ICE you’ve probable thought at some stage that you’re putting in more juice in the winter but thought nothing more about it as it’s not really a big deal. You seldom look at range, but it does reduce too.

I take the view that unless you regularly need 250 miles plus during cold weather then as long as you can, with sensible driving get 200 miles that should be sufficient for most. Some of us also tend to be less active during the winter Months.
Just like the officially published MPG numbers EV published range is for most, very seldom actually achieved.

Like MPG, real world figures are available if you search google. Another good check to make before deciding.
Knowing what to expect your miles/kWh to be on a journey, is key to gaining comfort in what range you will actually achieve.
In the same way that you might know your ICE will return 50mp and know how big the fuel tank is, if you know your EV will return 3miles/kWh and what your useable battery capacity is, you can get a very accurate range prediction.

All this usually comes from experience and during ownership, I know that it did for me.

For some it can be a big disappointment.

 

[bazza123uk]

I agree that for some newcomers to EV’s the cold weather impact on miles/kWh can be a big surprise.

Even if you’re done a bit of homework before buying, it still can surprise you.
The main reason it is such a talking point is that the range at best on most EV’s is not excessive and is always a nagging concern for some people. If the starting point was typically a range of 500miles it would not really be discussed that much.

I always say to anyone considering buying an EV and asking about range - look at the official published range and take off 35% - if that still suits your needs then anything else you get is a bonus.

With an ICE you’ve probable thought at some stage that you’re putting in more juice in the winter but thought nothing more about it as it’s not really a big deal. You seldom look at range, but it does reduce too.

I take the view that unless you regularly need 250 miles plus during cold weather then as long as you can, with sensible driving get 200 miles that should be sufficient for most. Some of us also tend to be less active during the winter Months.
Just like the officially published MPG numbers EV published range is for most, very seldom actually achieved.

Like MPG, real world figures are available if you search google. Another good check to make before deciding.
Knowing what to expect your miles/kWh to be on a journey, is key to gaining comfort in what range you will actually achieve.
In the same way that you might know your ICE will return 50mp and know how big the fuel tank is, if you know your EV will return 3miles/kWh and what your useable battery capacity is, you can get a very accurate range prediction.

All this usually comes from experience and during ownership, I know that it did for me.

For some it can be a big disappointment.

Thank you. The first person who knows what he is talking about. Anyway I'm bored now. I was expecting help not criticism which is why I joined the forum

 

[Cocijo]

I hope that this has been helpful and informative for you.

 

[tsedge]

Thank you. The first person who knows what he is talking about. Anyway I'm bored now. I was expecting help not criticism which is why I joined the forum

You got the same advice from multiple people but you initially wouldn't accept it. That's not the same as those people not knowing what they were talking about.

 

[xcyber]

Wondering about one thing with my MG4 Luxury I get q123..
Imagine two MG4, One luxyry long range with heat pump and one Trophy long range without heat pump.
Temperature is -1c.. and temerature inside car is set to +20c..
Think the luxury get longer range on the road but how much longer?

 

[tsedge]

Wondering about one thing with my MG4 Luxury I get q123..
Imagine two MG4, One luxyry long range with heat pump and one Trophy long range without heat pump.
Temperature is -1c.. and temerature inside car is set to +20c..
Think the luxury get longer range on the road but how much longer?

Roughly speaking a PTC heater will draw 1-1.5kW on a cold day vs 500W for the equivalent heat pump. So depending on how long it takes to get the car to a comfortable temperature, you'll lose that energy. Heat pumps are something like 3x as efficient.

One possible drawback with some heatpumps is they take longer to deliver the initial heat, although this doesn't matter if you remotely heat before the journey.

 

[MoDolph]

Wondering about one thing with my MG4 Luxury I get q123..
Imagine two MG4, One luxyry long range with heat pump and one Trophy long range without heat pump.
Temperature is -1c.. and temerature inside car is set to +20c..
Think the luxury get longer range on the road but how much longer?

From what I've seen so far, a lot.

 

[Cocijo]

All EV’s use resistance heating at cold start up. It’s only later in the cycle that a heat pump becomes beneficial. There is much debate about the benefits based on climate, additional cost and usage.
My view is that in the UK unless you want or need to wring out every last mile of range then the cost v benefit doesn’t stack up.

 

[MoDolph]

That's what I managed today with a fully heated battery and no heating sitting behind a lorry at 54mph.

Once spring comes it'll get better. The battery, and I suspect, the battery heater are just so inefficient.