MG4 limited edition 49kWh in Finland

[Auswin]

Hi ,

I am planning to buy MG4 limited edition 49kWh in Helsinki, Finland . I am quite sceptical about its performance in the winters with LFP battery and without a heat pump. I don't have a charger at home and no indoor parking either. So , I have to park the car all the time in outdoors . Considering these , would it be wise to buy this model ? Any thoughts or comments would be helpful . And any recommendations , how to manage it if I go ahead with buying this car.

 

[Bam Bam]

Hi ,

I am planning to buy MG4 limited edition 49kw in Helsinki, Finland . I am quite skeptical about its performance in the winters with LFP battery and without a heat pump. I dont have home charger at home and no indoor parking as well . So , I have to park the car all the time in outdoors . Considering these , would it be wise to buy this model ? Any thoughts or comments would be helpful . And any recommendations , how to manage it even I go ahead buying this car.

Hi Auswin and welcome to the forum!

Like all EVs it's going to perform less well in the cold. Heating up the cabin, battery and so on is going to take a lot of energy each time.

A car with a heat pump would suffer less from this, but if there isn't one available then your alternative is a fossil car.

The MG4 is doing the same things as a fossil car in terms of turning power into heat. So if the electricity is cheap and you've got somewhere convenient to charge it, then it should be fine.

One good thing about EVs in cold weather is that you can press a button on the app and have it warm itself up 10 minutes in advance of using it. No need to go and switch on the engine and wait.

 

[Jamesrr]

Hi ,

I am planning to buy MG4 limited edition 49kw in Helsinki, Finland . I am quite skeptical about its performance in the winters with LFP battery and without a heat pump.

LFP batteries are great and as with most things in life, there are swings and roundabouts...

Our AI overlords suggest the following...

In general, NMC (Lithium Nickel Manganese Cobalt Oxide) batteries tend to perform better in cold weather than LFP (Lithium Iron Phosphate) batteries. While both types of batteries experience reduced performance in cold temperatures, NMC batteries generally offer better power output and faster charging speeds in colder climates.

Here's a more detailed comparison:

NMC Batteries:
Pros:
Better cold-weather performance: NMC batteries tend to maintain better power output and charging speeds in colder temperatures compared to LFP.
Higher energy density: This translates to potentially longer driving ranges in the same size battery pack.

Cons:
More sensitive to high temperatures: NMC batteries can be more prone to thermal issues at high temperatures, potentially requiring more sophisticated thermal management systems.
Higher cost: NMC batteries typically cost more to produce due to the inclusion of cobalt.
LFP Batteries:

Pros:
Longer cycle life: LFP batteries generally offer a longer lifespan and can withstand more charge/discharge cycles than NMC.
Better thermal stability: LFP batteries are generally considered safer and more resistant to thermal runaway events.
Lower cost: LFP batteries are typically less expensive to produce.
Cons:

Reduced performance in cold weather: LFP batteries can experience a noticeable drop in capacity and charging speeds in colder temperatures.
Lower energy density: This means a larger battery pack might be needed to achieve the same range as an NMC battery.
In summary:

If you live in a very cold climate and need consistent power and charging speeds in winter, NMC batteries might be a better choice. However, if you prioritize longer lifespan, safety, and lower cost, and don't mind potentially slightly slower charging in the cold, LFP batteries could be a good option. Modern EVs with both NMC and LFP batteries often include sophisticated battery management systems and thermal management systems to mitigate the effects of cold weather.

I dont have home charger at home and no indoor parking as well . So , I have to park the car all the time in outdoors . Considering these , would it be wise to buy this model ? Any thoughts or comments would be helpful . And any recommendations , how to manage it even I go ahead buying this car.

I don't see that the LFP MG4 is going to be much more challenging than any car in your circumstances.

 

[salty]

To the forum.

 

[LenEV2016]

Hi ,

I am planning to buy MG4 limited edition 49kWh in Helsinki, Finland . I am quite sceptical about its performance in the winters with LFP battery and without a heat pump. I don't have a charger at home and no indoor parking either. So , I have to park the car all the time in outdoors . Considering these , would it be wise to buy this model ? Any thoughts or comments would be helpful . And any recommendations , how to manage it if I go ahead with buying this car.

I was under the impression EU cars all came with heat pumps

 

[GaryMG4]

I was under the impression EU cars all came with heat pumps

Maybe the 'limited edition' is actually 'limited equipment'

 

[dsimpkins]

How many miles/km are you planning to do per day as this is probably a more important factor regarding whether the car will meet your needs in winter. Also where do you plan to charge? and how? Are you planning to charge at home using the slow granny charger? Get a home charger installed? Charge at work? Charge on a rapid public charger?

 

[siteguru]

I was under the impression EU cars all came with heat pumps

The Trophy trim with LFP battery was previously only seen in places like Thailand ... they did not have a heat pump. Perhaps MG are bringing that trim combo into the EU.

 

[Tig170]

I have the same car in the UK, and now done 35,000 miles with no issue what so ever (Max., 150miles in Winter & Max. 200miles in summer). However - thats because I have a driveway, so can charge up every few days at home on cheap overnight electricity. Im not so sure it would be the same if I had to rely on public charging though, as its 5-10 times the cost, and I'd need to wait with the car to charge, 1-2hrs a week

 

[LenEV2016]

UK cold won't compare to the cold of a Finnish winter I would imagine, I'd probably prefer a model with a heat pump.

Obviously depends on how far you are going to be travelling

 

[fshuk1]

Hi ,

I am planning to buy MG4 limited edition 49kWh in Helsinki, Finland . I am quite sceptical about its performance in the winters with LFP battery and without a heat pump. I don't have a charger at home and no indoor parking either. So , I have to park the car all the time in outdoors . Considering these , would it be wise to buy this model ? Any thoughts or comments would be helpful . And any recommendations , how to manage it if I go ahead with buying this car.

Hi,

My answer is slightly different. Everything the group is saying is correct. I would however say that the alternative you have asked about depends on price. I am fully convinced that MG4 is the best value for money EV car all things considered. Also it drives better than many cars.

So, to me, there is no alternative. Any other brand will have similar problems that have been discussed plus they cost more and don't drive so well. If cost/value is not an issue then we can discuss alternatives.